Thursday Feb 17, 2005

Red Hat vs Sun

There was an article on zdnet Australia this morning about the Red Hat Network "supporting" Solaris in order to transition customers from Solaris to Linux, along with some comments about Sun's support of Open Source. I'll touch on a few other comments from various sources through out this as well.

To the article.

The Red Hat 'Network' systems management tool is to gain the ability to manage software distribution and configuration for Solaris, with Red Hat claiming the features are the "the final nail in the coffin" for Sun's operating system. However the software could be four months away from release.

First off, I think it's wonderful that Red Hat will be "doing" Solaris. I look forward to hearing more details on how they will be doing this support. I'm not quite sure about the final nail in the coffin though. There are already many management tools that folk use for maintaining Solaris. One of the comments on osnews made some observations after attending a seminar at which this was discussed.

The first problem we (the group of admins I work with) was the starting price of $13,000 for the Management Server software. [...] During the discussion about the Management Server I kept saying "it's a poor man's Tivoli" and for the capabilities it has, can be easily duplicated with other F/OSS tools that even if you paid for them, would cost less than $13,000. The first thing that comes to mind in monitoring is Nagios.

I personally feel that some people at RedHat need to put the crack pipe down and listen to Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX admins. If RedHat is trying to convert existing networks to use their products, they not only have to win over management, they have to win over the administrators too. In that regard RedHat has some serious work to do, because I am not convinced their products are superior, especially above 8 CPU's. And the solution to every computing problem is not a cluster.

I hope Red Hat is listening to their customers.

Back to the article

Speaking with ZDNet Australia yesterday morning, Red Hat general manager for Australia and New Zealand Gus Robertson made it clear that the new features of Red Hat Network were aimed squarely at putting Sun Microsystems out of business. He said: "We have been talking about the demise of Unix for some time and had our sights set firmly on Solaris". "The majority of the business that we've been getting has been Unix to Linux migrations. With respect to migrations with time frames in the medium to long term, as opposed to the short term, our customers have been asking constantly if we could incorporate Solaris into the Red Hat Network".

Wonderful, they are listening. Please note, this is two companies competing pure and simple. I certainly hope that Red Hat will not be subject to the same vitriol that we are when we make comments that are simply competing. I do find it disappointing that while we have consistantly said that we are competing with Red Hat (not that we want to "put [Red Hat] out of business), that Gus would make such a comment about wantng to put us out of business. Although, I think it will take a little more than this. Folks it's competition, don't take it so personally.

The RHN features were released simultaneously with version 4 of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux (RHEL) solution, which Robertson said was "banging the final nail in the coffin for Solaris". RHEL v4 is based upon version 2.6 of the Linux kernel, and includes support for the National Security Agency's (NSA) Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) software. The distribution will also support version 2.8 of the popular Gnome desktop software.

That's great that you're getting the certification. I think it will be some time, however, before anything "bang[s] the final nail in the coffin for Solaris". There are too many things that Solaris does better than it's competition. That being said, I should also state, that I do not believe that that is strictly one way. There are certainly areas in which Linux out-does Solaris.

Paul Gampe, Red Hat's director of engineering for Asia-Pacific, who also spoke with ZDNet Australia , said that the inclusion of SELinux would bring security features to the distribution that traditionally would have been priced out of the market "for the average data centre operator". According to the web site of the NSA, the software "enforces mandatory access control policies that confine user programs and system servers to the minimum amount of privilege they require to do their jobs".

Again, well done Red Hat. I know that there are a lot of folks out there looking for this kind of thing.

In addition, Robertson said, Red Hat is locked into agreements with partners Intel, IBM and Oracle that would not leave the company at liberty to modify its rigid 12-18 month release cycle.

Welcome to the datacentre. This is the kind of thing that we have to work with too.

Gampe also took the opportunity to weigh in on the Java Desktop System (JDS), Sun's own desktop system which somewhat competes with Red Hat's product line. Gamte said the name JDS was a misnomer, as the system was "a straight Gnome desktop with a couple of Java apps that don't follow the look and feel ? basically just marketing".

Yup, it's marketing. The idea is that the platform is provided as an enabler of Java Technology. It does that quite well. It should be also noted that JDS is a desktop, not an Operating System. JDS is available on Linux (on x86) and Solaris (on SPARC, x86 and x64). Two companies competing. Nothing to see here.

The topic led into the general issue of Sun's recent moves to release more of its software to the Open Source community. In January the company released its DTrace software, a key component of Solaris 10 which allows network and system performance to be fine-tuned in real-time. The company also released information to the effect that it intends to show its good faith to the community by open sourcing the bulk of Solaris 10 under its Community Development and Distribution Licence (CDDL), which is understood to be directly based on the Mozilla Public Licence (MPL).

Gus apparantly doesn't understand why we chose to release the code to Dtrace in the fashion that we did. Let me attempt to explain.

There were many naysayers out theer saying that even if we did release the OS code under an OSI compliant license, that there would be no way we would release the new stuff (Dtrace, Zones, ZFS, ...). Guess what. To prove this statement wrong, we released the source to Dtrace while we continue on our due diligence of ensuring that everything else that gets released is kosher.

We gave a committment to release Open Solaris under an OSI compliant license. We stand by that commitment. There are comparisons between the CDDL and the MPL available at www.sun.com/cddl, including discusion on why we selected it and why we made the changes that we did. Also worth noting is that OSI accepted it as OSI compliant.

Robertson did not seem to be impressed with the practicality of Sun's demonstration of good faith, saying: "Red Hat's policy is to be an open source provider of technology. Our competitors are providing a hybrid of open source and proprietary software ? that's not the model we're going after". He went on to say: "We've had a very clear focus on Open Source technology and have been doing it for over ten years, now other organisations are seeing that this is successful and have started to copy what we're doing. But this is not something that you can start doing overnight".

We're obviously focussing on different markets. I do take a little exception to the implication that Red Hat has been doing open source for far longer than Sun and that we are the newcomer. This is either a straight out lie or, he is misinformed. Guy, go and have a look at sunsource.net. We've been doing open source a lot longer than you folks have existed. I agree it's not something that can be done overnight. It's something that we've actually been working on for some time. Something else to consider is that Red Hat is a Competitor to Sun. Do you really expect them to be impressed with anything that we do?

Gampe was more clear about what exactly his organisation felt about the issue, saying: "The open source train has left the station and Sun has been left behind".

Again, more marketing and competing. Time will tell.

We see a demand for what we are doing with Open Solaris and we see areas that it can be profitable for both us and those participating in the community. That's good enough for us.

We've committed to a buildable Open Solaris in Calendar Q2 this year. As a participant in the pilot, I'd say things look pretty much on track. We have already had a few pilot members blogging about getting their builds of the code working.

I feel the need to also make another comment on the CDDL. Sun lodged this license in such a way that it is available for anyone who wants to use it. We attempt to at least acknowledge that petents exist and do something about it. Ignoring the patent issue is not going to protect you from it. Code licensed with CDDL goes some way to providing a little in the way of protection. Simon Phipps has written a lot more on this subject on his blog and a bit more here as well.

There is some discussion at the moment on slashdot about certain folks from OSDL at Linux World commenting about there being too many OSI licenses. Maybe the CDDL can help here here. One comment from Sam Greenblatt bears noting and comment.

Eventually there should be three licenses: The GPL, a commercial version of the GPL, and, of course, there will be the BSD because you can't rid of it.'"

I must say that I find that comment extremely narrow minded and I would have expected better from him.

Folks, this is the real world. While GPL is appropriate for many things, it is not the answer to everything. Of course, Sam would be totally impartial in making this comment, wouldn't he. There couldn't possibly be a vested interest could there?

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Thursday Feb 10, 2005

Techworld.com article - Linux goes head to head with Sun

Manek Dubash of Techworld appears to be another looking to fan flames of the issues between the CDDL and the GPL in his article titled Linux goes head-to-head with Sun.

In one corner is the GPL, or General Purpose License (sic), a free licence. It allows you to use the software in pretty much any way you see fit. One key proviso though is that any code that becomes part of the distributed product must also be published under the GPL.

That second sentence is the sticking point for a lot of commercial developers.

I found it disappointing that Manek only went to the organisation that is least likely to say anything complimentary about the license. It should also be noted that it is a condition of teh GPL that makes for the incompatibility with CDDL (and actually quite a lot of OSI approved license).

Simon Phipps actually wrote a very good article on the difference between Copyright and Patents which discusses why we address intellectual property in his article titled The IP Elephant in the IT Kitchen.

Also, like many other reporters Manek has made the mistake of reporting that Sun and Open Solaris is in competition with Linux. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story huh?

Sun as a company is in competition with Red Hat as a company. You can't compete with a social movement. Indeed Sun sells a lot of linux as well as Solaris.

Open Solaris is not intended to steal developers away from Linux.

The community of Open Source developers is far larger than just the Linux Community. There are many folks who have a great interest in Open Solaris.

I've always been a fan of using the right tool (be that command, operating environment, real tools etc) for the job at hand. There are things that Solaris does very well and there are things Linux does very well. There is no one correct operating system for all environments.

Sometimes this means Solaris, sometimes it means Linux or one of the BSDs, sometimes it even means Windows.

I am hoping that by releaseing Open Solaris and having folks able to see how Sun has approached various Operating System problems that the general knowledge of such will be raised as such, computing as a whole moves forward.

Manek, is it too much to ask for a little balance in your reporting?

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Wednesday Feb 09, 2005

Using Open Solaris in Teaching Computer Science

One of the things that we've been thinking about with the release of Open Solaris is that we would like to see more use within Universities, both from a teaching and user standpoint; specifically within Computer Science.

Going back to V6 Unix, John Lions' book was all about how Unix did things and explaining the source. This kind of thing may be an interesting starting point.

I'd be very interested in hearing some comments on what folks think that we would need to do to encourage this kind of thing.

One of the things that I thought of would be to provide some focus on how we address various O/S type issues and challenges that were faced and had to be dealt with in the implementation (dtrace and the slab allocater spring to mind).

Maybe we could do more things like the Dtrace challenge that was run last year.

How do you think we should encourage folks to start playing with either Solaris or Open Solaris?

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Thursday Feb 03, 2005

The differences between Copyright and Patents

The thing that I am noticing most about those of us who are hammering us over "only releasing our patents to CDDL" is that there is major confusion between Patents and Copyrights.

I am not a lawyer, but I have dealt with the patent process (having one lodged with the patent office now for about two years - only one more to go before they decide whether or not to approve it).

Simon Phipps has done a much better job than I could have hoped to of discussing the differences and implications, but there are a few things that I will say.

One of the statements that really annoys me is when people say "don't look at the Sun code in Open Solaris or you might find yourself in a patent lawsuit".

What utter rubbish!

A patent covers an idea, a copyright covers an implementation. It is possible to infringe on a patent without seeing an implementation. In fact whether or not you have seen an implementation is completely irrelevant.

All that we have done with CDDL is to say that if an entity releases code that is the subject of a patent that that entity holds, then anyone working within the framework of the CDDL is granted patent protection under the terms of that license. Nothing else has changed with regard to other licenses. If another license should include patent protection terms such as what the CDDL does, then the same protections would apply with regard to the entity releasing code and developers.

Open Solaris is being released under an OSI approved license. One of the consequences of the terms of this license is that Sun (or anyone who contributes code under it) is required to provide patent protection for any patents that they may hold that may cover that code.

This is definitely an improvement on the status quo and I am left wondering how this is a bad thing.

The other thing that is certainly worth noting is Sun's history of aggressively prosocuting patent infringement. There isn't one!

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Wednesday Feb 02, 2005

Credibility in Journalism

Jim Grisanzio recently blogged comparing two articles at ZDnet. The articles in question were

I've just read both of these and I have serious concerns about one of them.

Let's have a look at the leading paragraphs of Dana's.

Today David Berlind has a great piece about Sun executives complaining that they "give and they give" but the open source community keeps demanding more.

What exactly does the open source community want, Sun asks.

David actually said no such thing. Let's have a look at the first couple of sentences of what he actually did say.

Somewhere within Sun, the executives are saying "Whattayagotta do to get some respect around here? We give and give and give and they still want more." The "they" of course is the open source community.

Nowhere in David's article did he quote anyone at Sun as making these statements. This is an opinion piece and the "quotes" are pure speculation.

I would have thought this blatantly obvious. I guess Dana didn't. Dana, in my eyes at least, you've not done your credibility a lot of good.

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Update

I've also placed some comments in the talkback of Dana's article. It looks like I successfully logged a trackback, but ZDnet is yet to display it.

Tuesday Feb 01, 2005

Sun: Patent use OK beyond Solaris project

There is a very interesting article at zdnet titled Sun: Patent use OK beyond Solaris project.

As many of you will already know there have been a number of concerns raised about exactly what the 1600 odd patents that are covered by the CDDL can be used for.

Most recently, Dan Ravicher wrote an open letter to Sun asking for important clarification.

Interestingly Richard Stallman wrote quite a restrained piece which appears to leave the door open for Sun to 'do the right thing'.

Now, on reading Steven Shankland's article (the one in this title), it appears that this might just be the case.

Now, before I go any further I have to say...

I am not privy to anything that Sun has not yet said on this issue, my comments are based purely on personal opinion and what Steven has quoted in this article.

Quoting from Steven's article

Sun itself has given mixed messages. Sun President Jonathan Schwartz said in November, "It is not our intent to say, 'Here is our intellectual property and we'll sue you.'" A company representative said Tuesday that Sun wouldn't sue Linux users for using the patents.

But Sun's published statement position is less generous. The company's press release said, "OpenSolaris developers and customers alike no longer need patent protection or indemnity from Sun and other participants in the OpenSolaris community for use of Solaris-based technologies under the CDDL and OpenSolaris community process."

That's a pretty straight forward statement from Jonathan.

I would also note that the statement made in the second paragraph does not exclude what was said in the first, merely points out that those people using Open Solaris are covered.

Now, earlier in the article we have some interesting quotes from Tom Goguen.

The server and software company clarified its position somewhat on Monday. "Clearly we have no intention of suing open-source developers," said Tom Goguen, head of Solaris marketing. However, he added, "We haven't put together a fancy pledge on our Web site" to that effect.

Some kind of pledge is possible, Goguen said: "We're definitely looking into what would make sense and what would make the community feel more comfortable with the patent grant we have made available."

To me it looks like an announcement along these lines is iminent. I look forward to watching a few pundits remove egg from their faces. Really folks, we are not the bad guys, and we are trying to do something worthwhile. There is no great conspiracy here.

Again, it's worth noting that all of the patents covered by this grant are directly relevant to the software in question, and not simply patents that we are chucking over the wall because they are about to expire and might or might not be useful.

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Friday Jan 28, 2005

Thought out commentry on the CDDL

For those who are interested in reading a well thought out, presented and balanced discussion of the CDDL, it is difficult to go past the writeup by Pamela Jones at Groklaw.

I am not saying this because she agrees with the license as being the right choice for Open Solaris (she doesn't), but her writeup is particularly well done and certainly worth reading in full.

Pamela is a self confessed GPL-girl, and was disappointed that we did not choose the GPL as the license for Open Solaris. That being said, she was appreciative of being involved in addressing issues with the license and, ... but hey, why not read the article yourselves?

Simon Phipps has also written a well considered response to Pamela.

As Simon puts in his response... Solaris, Tequila and Tolerance.

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Ben Rockwood replies to various osnews threads

Ben has responded to a number of comments in various threads referencing Open Solaris on OSnews.

It's long read, but certainly an informative one. Ben is certainly passionate about Open Solaris

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Serverwatch on the Dtrace Release

Amy Newman and Michael Hall discuss the release of Dtrace at serverwatch.

First up I would take issue with the implication that the leaks came from within Sun. If you had seen the activity in the light of the information that came out early, it would be difficult to argue that Sun masterminded the leak. I believe that there were early briefings held so that journalists could have articles prepared for the announcement time, but those articles were originally supposed to be held then. Of course once the cat was out of the bag, all bets were off and I believe that the restraint was lifted.

Sun met our lowered expectations on Tuesday, revealing not the source to Solaris, but a new Web site and the source for a single application: The admirable DTrace.

Please note the choice of code to release. This is one of the big components of Solaris 10. We released this in contrast to releasing something trivial.

We downloaded a copy of DTrace's source before making our way to the brand new Solaris Forums and learning there's no way to even build the software. It's simply there because, well, it's source code and Sun wanted us to have it.

I've addressed part of the reasoning already, but it should also be noted that the very first reply in this thread was from Bryan Cantrill offerring to help the questioner get a build running.

But for as much as Sun hopes a community will form around OpenSolaris, and for as much as it hopes OpenSolaris will build buzz, attract the curious, and perhaps even begin to inspire loyalty among a new user base, the company also understands that none of this will happen overnight.

One of the implications being that there currently is not a Solaris Community. Haven't we been here before here, here and here (and quite a few other places as well). The point is that there currently exists a Solaris community that has been working with Solaris for years and is now closely involved with the Open Sourcing process.

The buzz is certainly there now. For the rest, yes, time will tell.

The real test of the company's commitment will come over time, as it accretes that developer community (if it does) and interacts with people besides its own employees. And the real test of whether Sun's open source gambit has paid off will come over years, not months.

Yes, this is true; but also remember we are not starting from scratch here and the process progressing. The day of the opening of Dtrace also saw the folks on the pilot given buildable source. Two articles (1,2) show Ben Rockwood's builds of Open Solaris from within the pilot. Ben's also posted a screenshot of his running system.

The number of folks signing up to be notified on the actual release date has been huge, as have the number of downloads of the Dtrace code.

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Tuesday Jan 25, 2005

Open Source Solaris Announcements

The press has been running a lot of stories about the announcements tomorrow. Unfortunately (for me) the timing of the announcement comes on January 26 here in Australia. This is the Australia Day public holiday and I'll be doing things with my family.

As a result I'll be making more comment about 24 hours after the announcement.

In the interim, Jim is keeping track of the press articles, and I would expect to see more than a few entries on various Sun Blogs and the Planet Solaris Blog Aggregator.

I think we are in for some exciting times, and I hope the announcements go some way to showing exactly how committed we are to the whole process of .

Friday Dec 31, 2004

Response to Linux versus Sun's Solaris: It's the community stupid

I only noticed this article today although it was posted during November.

First off I have to say that as someone at Sun who is (peripherally) involved in the open sourcing of Solaris, that I do not see this as a strictly Open Solaris vs Linux thing. There is room here for all comers and I believe that the more code out there in open source kernel space, the better for the industry as the whole. None of us has the monopoly on innovation and we can all learn from each other.

Frank sees us as having a number of problems to solve.

...ranging from limited hardware compatibility a mix reputation regarding open source to the below par service organization, before they can become successful again.

If you are talking about Solaris prior to Solaris 10, I would wholeheartedly agree with you about our lack of driver support. With the advent of 10, though, the picture changes. We are working actively with vendors and the community to get drivers for current hardware. I myself run Solaris 10 on my Dell Inspiron 8500. The installation went through without a hitch. The only drivers that I was missing were for the Broadcom ethernet and Wireless. I got the Broadcom ethernet driver from a membero of the Solaris community (thank you Muryama-san). Broadcom still has not (to my knowledge) shared their wireless specs with anyone. Many of the key Solaris developers internal to Sun do their major development work on their own notebooks. Believe me, there is incentive to get current hardware supported.

I would be interested to hear why you state that our service is below par. I am a member of that Service Organisation, and I have only ever received glowing reports from our customers.

Mixed reputation regarding Open source? Please explain. Sun is the second largest contributor to the open source movement (behind Berkely) and has been working in this area for more than twenty years!

He also makes the point that an awful lot of Linux people responded to the article and he did not see a single response from the Solaris community.

Well, that could be for any number of reasons. First off, The original article was a red rag to a bull for the Linux community. Of course it was going to get a lot of people being awfully defensive. Another that I can say for myself is that I quite simply did not see the article until I had a response to it pointed out to me today. You will note that I am responding.

I certainly will not argue that Linux has a large and active community. I would regard it as a mistake to say that Solaris has none. Indeed the last person to say that offended some very vocal members of that community.

I responded to Joshua Wulf's response to you in my blog here. But the main point I made is that I agree that community is critical.

We are open sourcing Solaris in response to the Solaris community. Many of whom are actively developing for Solaris. Our aim is to encourage this. We certainly agree that having a strong community is never to be underestimated.

Simply have a look at what happened when Sun elected to defer Solaris 9 for x86. The community effort was such that not only is Solaris on x86 hardware back on the agenda, it's at our fore-front!

You also make a statement about "Making Solaris 10 free and open source, compatible with the x86 platform". There are a few things that should be corrected here. First, there is the inferance (probably unintended) that we are only open sourcing Solaris for x86. Solaris is build from a single source tree for all platforms. We are open sourcing Solaris, not Solaris for a particular platform. Second, there is another inferance that we are newcomers to operating systems on x86 hardware. This is not true. I believe that we have been doing Solaris on x86 hardware since around Solaris 2.1.

I find myself constantly amazed at the vehemance with which many folk in the Linux community respond to any comment about Open Source Solaris. We believe we have a pretty good operating environment here. Is sharing it with the community such a bad thing? Hey maybe we can all learn something from each other?

Response to Free Doesn't Refer Just to Price

Joshua Wulf wrote a well considered blog entry discussing the views of Frank Ottink (CEO of Yeald).

The article under discussion has had a huge amount of comment all over the place since it was first posted in November and Frank has written a subsequent article (which I may do a reply to shortly).

The thrust of the post is "there is more to Open Source, GPL and Free Software than simply not charging for it". Most specifically he makes the point about the community that is driving the software.

To put it simply Joshua, I agree with you. The community is critical.

Where a lot of the analysis falls down is in making the assumption that there is no community (which I argued in my response to Martin Fink).

While certainly not the size of the GNU/Linux community, there is a thriving Solaris community, some members of which take great offense at being told that they dont exist.

Part of the reason that we are doing teh open sourcing is that the Solaris community has been asking us for it. There are a lot of folks out there already doing development and actually open sourcing Solaris is an effort to help drive this further.

I'll go a bit further to say that as one of the folks involved in this project (peripherally), I don't see this as an Open Solaris vs Linux thing. There is room here for all comers and I believe that the more code out there in open source kernel space, the better for the industry as the whole. None of us has the monopoly on innovation and we can all learn from each other.

Friday Dec 24, 2004

Solaris x86 discussion on OSnews

There is a pretty interesting discussion of the Techuser article (Sun Microsystems' x86 Strategy) at OSnews.

Many folk are picking up where Usman Latif has made good points, and where he has missed the point.

All in all, this thread promises to provide a good read.

Wednesday Dec 22, 2004

Linus, Open Solaris, Sound-Bites and the press

This is probably going to sound a bit strange coming from a Sun engineer and an Open Solaris Advocate, but I seriously think that Linus is being maligned here.

My reading of the article leads me to believe that the interviewer was looking for Linus to say something controversial in order to push the story. What could be better for a journo than a a Solaris vs Linux free for all?

Stephen Shankland does little for his credibility as a jounalist by taking him completely out of context with comments like

But the 34-year-old Finnish programmer isn't fazed by Solaris. In fact, he's downright dismissive, calling it a "joke."

What Linus actually said is quoted further down the article

What do you think about the x86 move and the new Solaris features?

Solaris/x86 is a joke, last I heard. (It has) very little support for any kind of strange hardware. If you thought Linux had issues with driver availability for some things, let's see you try Solaris/x86.

This is a much more considered statement. There are obviously folks out that that agree and disagree strongly on this; but as a Linux user from pre 0.99, I can certainly say that Linux was there at one time as well. Meanwhile Sun is pulling out all stops to get current hardware certified and working.

It's also reasonable that he is adopting a wait and see approach. All of the information about what we are doing with regards licensing etc is not yet in the public domain. I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to do much in the way of public comment as they either are not aware of the information or under Non-Disclosure.

Another sound bite that is getting quoted out of context all over the place is

When Sun releases Solaris as open-source software, will you take a peek?

Probably not.

The answer actually does not stop at that point. Linus goes on to say

... Not because of any animosity, but simply because I don't have the time or the interest. Linux has never been about "others," it's been about getting better than itself, so I don't really have any motivation to play around with Solaris. I'm sure that if it does something particularly well, people will be more than happy to tell me all about it.

Again, perfectly reasonable.

What we really have here is a press beatup trying to feed/create a free-for-all between Solaris and Linux Advocates. The truth is that there is room in this space for all players. While I was an SA before coming to Sun, I had been (and still am) a great fan of choosing the right Operating Envronment for the specific job that I'm interested in. At times this means that I've run things from DOS and various incarnations of windows through IRIX, RiscOS, SunOS, Solaris, VMS and, yes, even Linux.

I also happen to believe that Solaris 10 has some pretty amazing stuff in it. I've worked in Unix since the days of Version 7, with source code to the current day in Solaris. I quite like working in the Solaris codebase, I find it very easy to work with and very logical. I know there are folks out there who will shout me down for that, but just as they are entitled to their preferences, so am I.

In closing on this one, I think we all need to remember that Journalists are looking for a story that will get them read. Some have more integrity than others in chasing it. Taking sound-bites from this interview out of context has caused an amazing flame-fest on various mailing lists, newsgroups and boards. It's a shame really.

Friday Dec 10, 2004

Martin is considering a reply

Martin Fink has made a reply to my comments on his earlier comments on Solaris 10 (Page down this blog for the links, I'm not going to reproduce them in this entry). I look forward to your response. Thank you for committing to at least considering one. In a way it's a shame that we can't get into a longer discussion over this as I'm sure it could get interesting, but we'll see where your reply leads us. :-)

Sorry I didn't notice it earlier. The link I had bookmarked to your blog only took me to November. I hadn't noticed that you had done up some entries for December. Maybe things will be a bit clearer when you move over to the new site.

For the benefit of folks reading Martin's blog, when you go to a page, if you "mouse-over" the Blogs title in the left column, it will popup a number of months (currently November and December). From there you can select the latest.

I also look forward to reading on the other topics you have alluded to...

  • comments on the CDDL
  • patents and IP

Hope you had a productive trip to Korea and SoftExpo.

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