By Terri Wischmann-Oracle on Jul 10, 2008
The OpenSolaris Chat which took place yesterday, 7/9 in the Sun
Andromeda Theater was a great success for OpenSolaris. We ended
up going to chat mode, due to experiencing some audio malfunctions. The chat mode worked out very well with the largest
attendance within Second Life including our webstream attendance. It was great to hear the the direction of OpenSolaris and to chat with Tim Cramer, Stephen Hahn, David Comay and Glynn Foster. Big
Kudos goes out to our Campus Ambassador/Student Intern Kumar Abhishek
from India bringing 447 students into an auditorium to attend the
chat. We plan to have more interactive
events in the future for OpenSolaris. A big thanks to Heidi Dailey and
Jennifer Winger for helping me bring this event to life!! Thanks to all the SL people as well! Below is a
photo of the Andromeda theater, link to the preso and chat script.
Chat Script:[7:45] Glynn Folland: and seem to have lost Tim temporarily
[7:45] Trickster Bravin: ok
[7:45] Rio Jetcity: I can provide a good stream if you wish
[7:45] TAJ Constantine: Are you guys using an experimental OpenSolaris SL Client, Hmmmm??? ;-)
[7:45] Jatin Juliesse: hey from which college??
[7:45] Glynn Folland: Until he returns, I'll just pick up where he left off
[7:46] Rilakkuma Perl: Sometime I use that,but now I use SL on my Mac.
[7:46] Glynn Folland: As Tim mentioned, we've taken a lot of feedback over the last couple of years about OpenSolaris
[7:46] Maximus Usbourne: Jatin, right click avie > IM :)
[7:46] Maximus Usbourne: text is just fine i guess..
[7:46] Glynn Folland: a lot of the great features that were brought in with Solaris 10 weren't very visible to a whole bunch of people
[7:47] Glynn Folland: While ZFS, the 128 bit file system, was part of the core operating system, it wasn't the default file system
[7:47] Maximus Usbourne: hey.. but the webstream folks wont be seeing any of the text !
[7:47] Maximus Usbourne: its not visible there
[7:47] Glynn Folland: We've had a package management system that was hard to use, hard to administer
[7:47] Glynn Folland: and built on old technology
[7:48] Glynn Folland: with OpenSolaris, we had a chance to change this
[7:48] Glynn Folland: and revolutionize the operating system once again, bringing these unique features directly to the end user
[7:50] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We've also made it easy to use by moving to a more familiar GNU user environment
[7:50] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We've added a state-of-the-art window system by moving to GNOME
[7:50] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We have built-in developer tools and optimized web 2.0 deployment packages
[7:51] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: The packaging system (IPS or Image Packaging System) is easy to administer
[7:51] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: It can be done via the command line or a GUI manager
[7:52] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: It automatically resolve dependencies so you don't have to worry about it
[7:52] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: This also allows a rapid delivery of fixes
[7:53] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: And we've designed the system so that you only get those packages contents which change to reduce bandwidth
[7:53] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: IPS is also integrated with ZFS (our fast file system) which snapshots your system and allows you to do rollbacks
[7:55] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Our first release of the OpenSolaris Operating System was on May 5, 2008, and cleverly named OpenSolaris 2008.05
[7:55] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Its the first OS with ZFS as the default file system
[7:55] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Its enhanced with DTrace (which allows introspection of performance and other activity)
[7:56] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: and has a fast in kernel CIFS server
[7:56] lambda Ansar: what is a cifs server
[7:56] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris 2008.05 also is fully supported
[7:57] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: CIFS allows you to interact with file sysetms on other OS's.
[7:57] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We've had good interest so far in OpenSolaris, 50k+ LiveCD's have been distributed to over 140 countries
[7:57] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: you can get yours shipped for free if you don't have the bandwidth to download the ISO image
[7:58] pnc Blessed is Offline
[7:58] Glynn Folland: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/cifs-server/ - a useful link to find out more about CIFS
[7:58] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: check out opensolaris.com/get
[7:58] lambda Ansar: but regarding the software in solaris
[7:58] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We've had 100's of thousands of downloads and mirrors set up which you can also see at optsolaris.com/get
[7:58] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: oops, opensolaris.com/get
[7:59] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: One of the very interesting pieces of technology is the repositories
[7:59] Maximus Usbourne: im copy-pasting the chat to the webstream
[7:59] Glynn Folland: thanks Maximus
[7:59] Maximus Usbourne: np
[7:59] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We'll have several repositories coming on line soon
[7:59] lambda Ansar: sorry for joining late
[7:59] lambda Ansar: but
[7:59] lambda Ansar: what is a kernel
[7:59] lambda Ansar: if anyone can help me
[7:59] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: One which is up right now is our main repository on pkg.opensolaris.org
[7:59] You: Lamdba, please IM me your questions
[8:00] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We're continually adding the latest software into this repository
[8:00] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We'll also have a community based repository coming online soon (this month) which allows anyone to contribute packages easily
[8:01] Glynn Folland: lambda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 will help for some background reading
[8:02] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: In addition we'll have a repo for 3rd party packages and things which aren't freely redistributable (like a flashplayer)
[8:02] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris will continue having regular 6 month releases, our next one is coming toward the end of November, and will be called....
[8:02] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: 2008.11 :)
[8:03] Seiichi Wisent: @
[8:03] Maximus Usbourne: cool!
[8:03] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: At some point we'll also have a longer term release with our typical support cycles of traditional Solaris (10+ years)
[8:04] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris releases today have an 18 month support cycle
[8:04] Jatin Juliesse: what a support cycle mam???
[8:05] You: Folks, we will take questions at the end of Tim's presentation.
[8:05] DavidComay Constantine: Jatin: The length of time Sun will support a particular release
[8:05] Seiichi Wisent is Online
[8:05] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: its offering production support for businesses to run OpenSolaris in their enterprise
[8:05] You: Thanks David!
[8:05] Glynn Folland: http://www.sun.com/service/opensolaris/index.jsp - for more details of the support plans offered by Sun
[8:05] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems is Online
[8:05] You: We'll be taking questions shortly
[8:05] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: There's 2 websites related to OpenSolaris
[8:05] You: we'll do questions via text
[8:06] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems is Offline
[8:06] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris.com is for those interested in using, learning, installing OpenSolaris
[8:06] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems is Online
[8:07] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris.org is there for those who are interested in working on the OpenSolaris operating system itself (adding packages, enhancing the kernel, system adminsitration)
[8:08] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: That concludes the basic intro to opensolaris, I'd like to take some questions
[8:08] You: Great.
[8:08] Rio Jetcity: Tim, I see we have Solaris 10 which has the latest release at 5/08. It seems there was a fork with Solaris 10 on one side and OpenSolaris on the other side. Could this be a risk so that it will create two different Solaris OS's?
[8:08] You: To ask a question please type "@" in your chat line
[8:09] Rio Jetcity: @
[8:09] You: I will call on you in turn and you can then submit your question.
[8:09] Andy Piper: how to contribute to repositories
[8:09] TAJ Constantine: @
[8:09] You: Tim is answering Rio's right now
[8:09] You: then we will go to Seiichi
[8:09] JAButterfly Sands is Offline
[8:09] Jatin Juliesse: @ how the file system of open solaris differes from others??
[8:09] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Currently we are working with both Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris. The kernel is evolving and we are actually working on one main source tree in the community. Solaris 10 is now in an update phase
[8:10] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: we'll continue to make changes to Solaris 10 to fix problem encountered there.
[8:10] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: OpenSolaris is the place where new innovation for Solaris is happening
[8:10] Rio Jetcity: I see. Thanks.
[8:10] You: Seiichi, please ask your question
[8:10] DavidComay Constantine: I'd add that Solaris 10 support for new platforms will continue
[8:11] Croft Ashbourne is Online
[8:11] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: When we get to our "longer term release" that I mentioned earlier we'll have the ability to run Solaris 10 applications on OpenSolaris
[8:11] Jatin Juliesse: @
[8:11] Seiichi Wisent: are there any code names given to new releases?
[8:12] Rio Jetcity: 2008.05 ... 2008.11 ... that's code enough :)
[8:12] Karuna Skytower: @
[8:12] Andy Piper: @
[8:12] Seiichi Wisent: :)
[8:12] You: Glynn?
[8:12] You: :)
[8:13] Glynn Folland: Seiichi: Okay, so for OpenSolaris 2008.05 we had the project name of Indiana
[8:13] Jatin Juliesse: @
[8:13] Rio Jetcity: OMG They named it after the dog (sorry couldn't resist)
[8:13] Glynn Folland: there's no official project name for 2008.11, though a lot of rumours flying around that it's Project Jericho (according to a press article)
[8:14] Siddhartha Fonda: @
[8:14] Glynn Folland: as soon as we come up with something, we'll let you know :)
[8:14] You: Taj, go ahead please.
[8:14] TAJ Constantine: Will there be alternate window and desktop managers available? I'm actually partial to how lightweight OpenLook was and GNOME is a pig
[8:15] Glynn Folland: TAJ: absolutely, yes
[8:15] Glynn Folland: as Tim mentioned early, there are plans to start getting more software added to the software repository
[8:15] DavidComay Constantine: Although we currently have GNOME, we definitely want to have other window systems like KDE in the repository
[8:15] pnc Blessed is Online
[8:15] You: Jatin, go ahead please.
[8:15] TAJ Constantine: My last attempt at porting the old OpenLookWM failed miserably (KDE's a bit fat also :-) )
[8:15] Glynn Folland: we're also looking for people to help contribute those different desktop environments
[8:16] You: Karuna, go ahead as well.
[8:16] Jatin Juliesse: tim what file system opensolaris supports and how it differes from other file systems
[8:16] Glynn Folland: there's an initiative started at pkgbuild.sourceforge.net, that is likely to contribute several new sofware packages (including KDE/Xfce) to a repository in the next couple of weeks
[8:16] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: i'll have David answer that :)
[8:17] Esther Waldman: @
[8:17] DavidComay Constantine: Jatin, by default OpenSolaris 2008.05 uses ZFS.
[8:17] Jatin Juliesse: and how fat32 or ntfs can be converted to this file system
[8:17] DavidComay Constantine: Other file systems typically seen with Solaris are also available
[8:17] Rio Jetcity: UFS / VxFS for instance
[8:17] You: Karuna?
[8:17] You: Did you have a question?
[8:17] Maximus Usbourne: Jatin, you cant convert
[8:18] You: ANdy, go ahead please.
[8:18] Karuna Skytower: Yes, Will Linux binaries run on OpenSolaris? Is there support for Suns OpenMP and MPI libraries?
[8:18] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: You can mount FAT32 directly.
[8:18] Rio Jetcity: Karuna: Nice question
[8:18] DavidComay Constantine: Karuna, OpenSolaris can run many Linux binaries using its BrandZ technology
[8:19] TAJ Constantine: @ about BrandZ
[8:19] You: Go TAJ
[8:19] DavidComay Constantine: And there is work underway to have the OpenMP and MPI support (some of that is available in the repo today)
[8:19] TAJ Constantine: Isn't BrandZ a Container? Meaning we must install a Linux environment?
[8:20] You: Andy?
[8:20] Jatin Juliesse: @
[8:20] TAJ Constantine: Versus running the binary directly
[8:20] You: Sid, go ahead with your question
[8:20] DavidComay Constantine: TAJ, that's correct - it's actually the only best way to emulate a Linux environment
[8:21] Karuna Skytower: @
[8:21] Siddhartha Fonda: ok so i'm wondering in general what the roadmap looks like for solaris and what suns plans are for targeting the enterprise going forward -- specifically, will opensolaris be targeted fr enterprise computing environments?
[8:21] Siddhartha Fonda: sorry i got here late i may have missed the answer in the presentation lol
[8:22] Siddhartha Fonda: and if so, how does that affect currently installed solaris bases?
[8:22] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: no problem Siddhartha. we'll release opensolaris every 6 months and enterprises can deploy this today as it is supported...
[8:23] You: Esther, go ahead with your question
[8:23] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: mpi is in clustertools ; pfexec pkg install clustertools
[8:23] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Solaris will continue to do updates to support new hardware coming out.
[8:23] Esther Waldman: you mentioned that opensolaris is where development is happening
[8:23] Esther Waldman: is there a plan to end closed solaris at some point? Will there be a solaris 11? 12?
[8:23] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: We'll have a "long term support" release of OpenSolaris that will occur at some point in the future
[8:23] Kumar Andel: Hey! Our Question is... How do we port FOSS appications on OpenSolaris
[8:23] Rio Jetcity: Opensolaris=solaris 11
[8:24] Siddhartha Fonda thinks Esther read his mind
[8:24] You: @sid lol!
[8:24] Siddhartha Fonda: :)
[8:24] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: iwth the "long term support" release you'll see the typical 10+ year support options that exist with traditional Solaris
[8:25] Esther Waldman: ok so for the next upgrade, OpenSolaris is \*it\*
[8:25] DavidComay Constantine: Kumar, initially there will be two repositories available for FOSS
[8:25] DavidComay Constantine: The "contrib" repository will have a lightweight process and allow
[8:25] DavidComay Constantine: rapid integration of new packages into the repository.
[8:25] Esther Waldman: any time frame on that long-term-support upgrade?
[8:26] DavidComay Constantine: The mainline repository requires a bit more process steps
[8:26] DavidComay Constantine: for integration. We're working on making
[8:26] Kumar Andel: We here have been trying for quite sometime now to port educational applications to IPS.. any pointers on how to write spec files and packages for IPS?
[8:26] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Esther: At some point with the "long term release" (I don't want to say Solaris 11...) we'll have the ability to run Solaris 10 applications, just like Solaris 9 vs. 10 today.
[8:26] DavidComay Constantine: the actual development environment richer so FOSS apps just compile out of the box.
[8:26] Jatin Juliesse: @
[8:27] You: Jatin, go ahead.
[8:27] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Solaris 10 will have a very long life ahead of it
[8:27] Karuna Skytower: @
[8:27] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: but new innovation/development will happen in OpenSolaris
[8:27] DavidComay Constantine: Kumar, there is an effort by the pkgbuild folks to generate an IPS package from a spec file
[8:28] Jatin Juliesse: ri8 now u r going with GNOME or KDE but r u trying to developing and integrating light weight environments?
[8:28] DavidComay Constantine: Until then, I would suggest contributing the FOSS in question to the SFE project
[8:28] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Esther: Solaris 10 will continue updates for a long time (so its not \*it\*)
[8:28] DavidComay Constantine: We hope to bring all of the SFE into the "contrib" repository soon
[8:28] TerriWischmann SunMicrosystems: 08:28 ustreamer-49624 : My question is, what is the typical client profile for OpenSolaris? I am a systems integrator in healthcare IT.
[8:28] Kumar Andel: Hey Thanks Devid!
[8:28] Kumar Andel: \*David
[8:29] Rio Jetcity: Solaris 10 is currently at its fifth stage (orig, 6/06, 11/06, 8/07, 5/08)
[8:29] DavidComay Constantine: Jatin, Sun will support GNOME but we're definitely happy to see lightweigh WMs in OpenSolaris
[8:29] You: Karuna, go ahead.
[8:29] Jatin Juliesse: :)
[8:30] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Terri: Developers is the typical client profile
[8:30] DavidComay Constantine: Kumar for more info on SFW, see http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[8:30] You: We are coming on the hour. If you have a last question, please let us know.
[8:30] Glynn Folland: s/SFW/SFE
[8:31] Rio Jetcity: @
[8:31] DavidComay Constantine: Thanks Glynn :)
[8:31] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: And for more on image packaging, see http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/
[8:31] You: Go Rio
[8:31] TAJ Constantine: @about 3rd party repo
[8:31] Karuna Skytower: What is the difference between brandZ and a virtual machine? Is there better OS communication? I need to develop C++/MPI applications on multicore Opterons. Will Sun's MPI support this now on OpenSolaris? Which MPICH be better right now?
[8:31] Rio Jetcity: When will we get rid of Blue Screens and simply have the Solaris OS as the main OS?
[8:31] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: Terri: You can deploy as well, and we'll be making that a more etnerprise like experience as we move forward
[8:32] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: BrandZ containers share one kenel, VMs you'd be running N kernels.
[8:32] Evil Flare is Offline
[8:32] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: Rio: not soon enough :)
[8:32] Rio Jetcity smiles
[8:33] Karuna Skytower: So, processes in different BrandZ containers can communicate with IPC? what about shared memory?
[8:33] DavidComay Constantine: Karuna, you can download the Clustertools for OpenSolaris today (pfexec pkg install clustertools)
[8:33] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: zones are pretty isolated from one another (by design--for security)
[8:34] TerriWischmann SunMicrosystems is Offline
[8:34] DavidComay Constantine: Processes in the same BrandZ container can communicate via IPC, Karuna
[8:34] Rio Jetcity: @ reg. containers , to Stephen
[8:34] DavidComay Constantine: Processes in different containers can communicate using the network
[8:34] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: probably go to email@example.com for ways to cheate...
[8:34] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: \*discuss
[8:35] You: Okay folks
[8:35] Karuna Skytower: How can zones communicate, If I want to run some processes on OpenSolars and others with a Linux interface? Can MPI processes communicate?
[8:35] StephenHahn SunMicrosystems: Karuna: send me firstname.lastname@example.org
[8:36] You: We are going to wrap up
[8:36] TAJ Constantine: Thanks Tim and team!
[8:36] Rio Jetcity: Thank you.
[8:36] Karuna Skytower: Thanks.
[8:36] TimCramer SunMicrosystems: All thanks a lot, please go to http://opensolaris.com and check out, install, and give us feedback!
[8:36] Yornifer Miles: this was great...thanks everyone!
[8:36] Rilakkuma Perl: thanks!
[8:36] Maximus Usbourne: Thanks everyone!
[8:36] You: I want to let you knwo that the slide deck will be available at http://slideshare.net
[8:36] Kumar Andel: Thanks everyone for coming!
[8:36] You: by the end of the day
[8:36] Kumar Andel: :P
[8:36] Glynn Folland: thanks all
[8:36] Jatin Juliesse: thanks everyone
[8:36] You: THanks to Tim, David, GLynn, and Stephen.
[8:36] lambda Ansar: thank u
[8:36] Rilakkuma Perl: /clap
[8:36] Glynn Folland: go get your free CD too
[8:36] You: Thanks to all of you for hanging in there with us!
[8:36] Glynn Folland: www.opensolaris.com/get
[8:36] Churoval Mimulus: Thanks
[8:36] Glynn Folland: (click on the free CD link)
[8:37] Siddhartha Fonda: woo! slidedecks we love!
[8:37] You: Thanks again everyone!!