Your Priorities for Windows Vista?

Before I dive into the meat of this post, it may be important to emphasize that this post is not an editorial; it's a request for input from you.  I don't belong to the vocal anti-Microsoft faction that seems to be gleefully sharpening its knives with the arrival of Microsoft Vista.  With that out of the way, on to the main point of this post...

Microsoft Vista Logo:

Last week was a big week for Microsoft.  After over five years of sometimes turbulent development, Microsoft released Windows Vista to corporate customers.  Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO, has stated, "This is the biggest launch we've ever done."  Microsoft will reportedly spend $450 million in marketing this product launch.

In marked contrast, reactions from the mainstream IT industry press, including BusinessWeek, Computerworld, InformationWeek, InfoWorld have been decidedly muted and reserved. 

What Are Your Firm's Plans for Vista?

With our intense focus on Release 12 and Fusion Applications, our certification teams have their dance cards full.  As part of our ongoing prioritization activities, it would be helpful for us to understand your plans for adopting Windows Vista, specifically:
  1. When will your organization first start conducting trials of Vista?
  2. When will Vista be rolled out to the majority of your desktops?
  3. When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 11i?
  4. When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 12?
Please feel free to post a comment to this article, or if this is sensitive information, drop me a line directly.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!


When will your organization first start conducting trials of Vista?
I think my organization will not buy an upgrade license for the current users but it will rather buy vista for only the new users(new laptops and desktop).

When will Vista be rolled out to the majority of your desktops?
Not before a year from now I guess.

When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 11i?
Well I think it should be certified with vista right now, because you never know may be my organization will use vista directly for some users.

When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 12?
I don't think we will undergrad to release 12 directly I think it might need at least a year.

thank you steven for this post
fadi hasweh
Oracle is not Magic, it just takes years of experience

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on December 04, 2006 at 07:08 PM PST #

in our company we mainly use laptop computers. As you can imagine, our first migration to Vista will happen when we will buy our next laptop, due to OEM licensing.
Our customers (we're an EBS consulting company) will stay on XP as long as they could.
We don't need Vista EBS certification because we run on Linux.
We need IE7 certification because some of the customers have already migrated due to automatic updates.
Keep up the excellent job on your blog!

Posted by marzio on December 04, 2006 at 07:56 PM PST #

We will be rolling out Windows XP to the desktops next year. On that basis it will be at least 2 years before we rollout Vista to the desktops.
Certification with the successor to 11i will definitely be needed for Vista to be rolled out to the desktops.


Posted by Raj Patel on December 05, 2006 at 02:01 AM PST #

It's kind of a chicken-and-egg scenario. We'll start looking at it soon, but we're in no rush, especially since we don't know when to expect eBS to be certified. As it is, IE 7 on XP still isn't certified (wink, nudge..), so I'm guessing Vista support isn't coming any time soon?

Just to clarify, I assume we're talking about the basic OAF/HTML and JInitiator/JVM typical-end-user support on Vista. What about the other, lesser-used stuff in the "ecosystem"? I don't think the current 10g-based toolset is Vista-certified yet (and no ETA I can find?), so I'm afraid to even ask about things like Workflow Builder 2.6.3/Message Desginer, client/server ADI, the 9.0-based OAF JDev release, etc? Any chance of these ever getting certified on Vista?

Posted by Jim Cassella on December 05, 2006 at 08:39 AM PST #

We are an Oracle E-Business Suite 11.5.9, 11.0.3 and 11.5.8 company. We are currently about midway upgrading our client laptops and desktops to Windows XP Professional from Windows 2000 Professional! It will be quite some time before we consider Vista.

Posted by Bob Deyo on December 06, 2006 at 12:38 AM PST #

Joco,Thank you for your thoughts and for sharing your plans with us.I'm permitting this post to be published as-is, but I'd ask that you exercise a more diplomatic and less-judgmental tone for future comments.  This forum is intended to be a place where Apps professionals can openly share their thoughts with each other in a collegial and collaborative space.Differences in opinions, approaches, and plans may differ, but this should be a source of dialogue as opposed to grounds for criticism or attack.Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on December 06, 2006 at 03:09 AM PST #

Editor's note:  This post was deleted by request of the original poster.

Posted by Joco Mlakar on December 06, 2006 at 04:02 AM PST #

Hi Steven,
We're currently going to begin looking at Vista in 2007 with an expectation of deployment in late 2007 or early 2008. More than likely 2008. Any new hardware purchased in 2007 will be purchased with the Vista OEM license, but will be reimaged down to corporate standard XP before it gets to the end users. We'll also be doing the same thing with Office 2007 as well. I think a bigger, more immediate headache is IE7 certification for EBS as well as some other web enabled apps we run. We almost always wait for the first service pack on MS products before deployment.


Posted by Mark on December 06, 2006 at 02:44 PM PST #

We're already testing Vista and Oracle 11i Client, from what I've been able to see it's a no go, I couldn't get it to run in Ie7, however installing the jinitator, and running firefox I was able to trick into working. This allows us to upgrade to vista, which I believe is planned for spring of next year.
Just to catchup on some of your questions...

When will your organization first start conducting trials of Vista? Already in progress...

When will Vista be rolled out to the majority of your desktops? Spring/Summer 2007

When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 11i? 2/1/2007 would be nice, but again as I stated I have a work around, so it's not needed by then.

When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 12? I would think you wouldn't do any major release without it being certified with Vista.

Posted by Lenny Jankowski on December 07, 2006 at 04:58 AM PST #


We are in the process of refreshing laptops. Our effort will be significant to first rollout XP and then upgrade to Vista. Hence, our goal is to rollout Vista now.

Trials - In progress
Vista Rollout - Jan 2007 for new desktops (up to 40%), December 2008 for remaining 60%
Vista with 11i - Now
Vista with R12 - Should be available upon release of R12.

Depending upon our ability to use 11i with Vista, our laptop deployment plans may need to be delayed.

Posted by Aseem Gupta on January 02, 2007 at 02:07 AM PST #

I am the architect (consultant) for a 11i rollout that will be completed at the end of this year. The client is planning to deploy Vista within 6 months, however they have stated that they are willing to push ahead irrespective.

Could be interesting!

Posted by Dan Waters on February 01, 2007 at 08:56 AM PST #

Hi Steven,

I think that for Large enteprises they will have a planned rollout for Vista.

But for Small to medium size enterprises they donot usually have a corporate standard Windows Image (OBI) that they deply.

They get Vista wen they purchase new PCs and deploy them, you cannot get Dell etc to install XP anymore when you order.

So Vista is happening for these customers that do not have a large IT infrustructure.

The other thng that they will be starting use use VISTA due to this purchasing fact, do they need to try and stick to one specific form of Vista, there seems to be 7 varities ?

Also they will be usually a Mixture of XP and Vista so they they will be planning to use Jinit with Vista in the initial stages.

Q) Does out appsweb.cfg or appsbase.html check if the Web Client or OS is Not XP and so will not load Jinit ?


Posted by Alan Dale on March 21, 2007 at 04:41 PM PDT #


I looked at Certify, is Sun JDK certified for Windows XP and IE 6 or 7 ?

If Vista only uses Sun SDK how do customers use E-bus in a Mixed Vista XP env ?

Alan dale

Posted by Alan Dale on March 21, 2007 at 04:57 PM PDT #

Hi, Alan,According to their website today, Dell still sells business desktops with the choice of WinXP or Vista.  So Dell's customers still have the ability to hold back Vista acquisitions for now.  Other PC vendors platform policies for SMB / enterprise customers are likely to be similar.However, I agree that there are some organizations -- e.g. educational institutions -- that don't have any control over their users' desktops.  I have no details on the Vista edition that we're certifying at this point, unfortunately.I'm not involved with our Vista certification efforts personally, so I don't yet know what would happen if a Vista desktop attempts to connect to the E-Business Suite.Regards,Steven  

Posted by Steven Chan on March 22, 2007 at 03:49 AM PDT #

Hi, Alan,Just a reminder: the native Sun J2SE plug-in can be used instead of Jinitiator only for participants in our Early Adopter Program today.  That's why Certify doesn't reflect any information about this configuration yet.For Early Adopter Program participants, WinXP users can run either IE 6 or 7, and use the Sun J2SE 1.5.0._07 plug-in.Our Early Adopter Program configuration supports a mix of end-user platforms.  For example, one user can run WinXP with Jinitiator, and another user can simultaneously run WinXP with the native Sun J2SE plug-in.This Early Adopter Program is still running, and we're still accepting customer nominations.  If interested, customers can get more information about it here:Replacing Oracle JInitiator with Sun's Native Plug-InRegards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 22, 2007 at 03:55 AM PDT #

We have been told that HP desktops will stop shipping with XP as option from Jan 08. I got this information from our HP account manager directly. Apparently due to the slow uptake of Visa, Microsoft has decided to remove the OEM version of XP on new machiens to "push things forward". I've tried to run E-business suite version 11 on Vista with no success! The futures looking bleak! :-(

Posted by Ian Dunbar on September 17, 2007 at 06:25 AM PDT #

Ian,Well, perhaps not as bleak as you might think.  I wouldn't despair quite yet.Thanks for the information about HP's upcoming Vista push.  I note that Dell has taken the opposite strategy -- that is, they're now offering WinXP as an option where they used to offer only Vista on new business-targetted PCs.  Only time will tell which is the more-effective strategy.Our E-Business Suite certification with Vista is still underway.  I am strictly enjoined from making any specific statements about dates (see my Loose Lips Sink Ships article), but will be sure to post more information about this particular certification as soon as it's available.Regards,Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on September 18, 2007 at 04:29 AM PDT #

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