Update #2 on Vista Certification for the E-Business Suite

[Nov 8, 2007 Update:  Vista is now certified with IE 7 for E-Business Suite Release 11i and 12.  See this article for full details.]

[Oct 11, 2007:  See the latest
Update #5: Vista Certification with the E-Business Suite]

We haven't received a lot of responses to our informal survey about your plans for upgrading to Microsoft Windows Vista.  However, the requests for updates on our pending Vista certification are gradually becoming more commonplace, so here's a quick summary of where we are today for Release 11i and 12 certification of that desktop client.

Microsoft Windows Vista Logo 2:

As of today, we're still working on certifying both Release 11i and 12 with Vista.  This configuration is expected to require the use of Sun's J2SE 6.0 plug-in, but we're also evaluating the use of the J2SE 5.0 plug-ins, too.  At this stage, I suspect that it's unlikely that we'll be certifying JInitiator with E-Business Suite clients running on Vista, but that's also still under investigation.

In the process of our testing, we've identified a Sun J2SE bug that affects E-Business Suite environments for Vista deployments.  This is a critical issue, unfortunately, and we're working with Sun to get this into a future J2SE release.  As of today, we don't have a firm schedule for the next J2SE release containing this fix.  As a result, we don't have a firm schedule for the completion of our Vista certifications for either Apps 11i or 12 right now, either.

I'll continue to post updates on this certification and the configurations that we expect to support as soon as I have more details that I can share here.  Stay tuned...

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Comments:

Dear Steven,
Certifying apps 11i with vista is very important for us, we have 400 user of apps 11i on xp and the infrastructure department is holding the upgrade to vista project until apps 11i is become certified with vista.
So please keep us updated on any issue in this regard
Fadi hasweh

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on March 19, 2007 at 09:39 PM PDT #

Thanks for the background, Fadi.  I've made a note of your organization's requirements.  I'll keep posting updates on Vista as they're available.Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 20, 2007 at 05:52 AM PDT #

thanks steven for your time, my network departmant manager wants me to tell you this, he is saying that why do we need j2se 5 or 6 for IE to work on windows vista , while the apps 11i works fine under firefox with jiniator but as you know not on IE"

thanks again
fadi

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on March 20, 2007 at 10:59 PM PDT #

i would like also to tell you that we are having an open ticket with microsoft to solve this issue from IE/Vista side but untill now we didnot sucessed

fadi

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on March 20, 2007 at 11:06 PM PDT #

Thanks for the update, Fadi.  As you can tell from my article, a number of technical options are in play right now.  I'll post more details about our certification directions as soon as possible.Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 21, 2007 at 09:42 AM PDT #

Hello Steven,
Comverse is obligate to a process together with Microsoft of implementing Vista all over the company this year.
We will found ourselves with 1000 Vista users at June/2007.
Is Oracle will certify Vista as client to e-business suite till then and will Jinitiator will also certified?
Thanks
Doron Sela

Posted by Doron Sela on March 21, 2007 at 10:01 AM PDT #

Hello, Doron,Thanks for the information about your Vista rollout.  I've made a note of the details and will pass them on to our certification teams.Unfortunately, I can't comment specifically on when Vista will be certified for the E-Business Suite.  As I noted, it is unlikely that JInitiator will be certified for Vista clients at this point, but this is still something that needs to be confirmed.Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 21, 2007 at 10:10 AM PDT #

According to Metalink Note 414574.1:
Jinitiator will not be supported on Vista.

This is the stuff that tends to frustrate customers - it might be supported or it might not. We have no idea how to plan a rollout of Vista. I needed to do my rollout plan in January and two months later I still do not have a clue which direction to take. Any other information that Oracle can give us will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Carol

Posted by Carol on March 23, 2007 at 12:36 AM PDT #

Carol,I appreciate your frustration, and share it, to some degree.As I noted in my article, at this point of the certification cycle, it is unlikely that Jinitiator will be certified with Vista.  But, given the inherent uncertainty of technical certifications, I can't make definitive statements until the certification is complete... or almost complete.I know that these kinds of statements can be really maddening.  This might be cold comfort, but I also know that you're not the only one whose Vista rollout planning cycles are being confounded by pending vendor certifications.  I'll continue to publish updates on this certification as soon as they're available.  Stay tuned...Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 23, 2007 at 04:04 AM PDT #

an update on this issue, what i did was that i follwoed note 124606.1 (Upgrading JInitiator with Oracle Applications 11i) and i changed my JInitiator vresion from 1.3.1.21 to 1.1.8.25 and now it is working fine on IE on vista (test instacne), so i was wodering what are the diffracne between 1.3.1.21 and 1.1.8.25 can apply this to my prod instance or we should always stay on the latest, any hint will be helpful

fadi

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on March 28, 2007 at 11:17 PM PDT #

Fadi,Each Jinitiator release includes security, performance, and stability fixes.  As a general rule, Jinitiator users should apply the latest version that's been certified with the E-Business Suite.  Our certification for Vista is still underway.  I strongly recommend against deploying any configurations of either Jinitiator or the Sun J2SE plug-in for production Vista clients until our certification is complete.Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on March 29, 2007 at 03:41 AM PDT #

Steven -
We plan to begin rolling out Vista in Q1-2008. We would like to see certification in Q4-2007 so that we can begin testing.
Thanks.

Posted by Chuck Seibert on March 29, 2007 at 06:19 AM PDT #

We currently run our client software through Citrix running on top of Windows 2000 server which is not officially certified but lots of people seem to do it. We are in the process of upgrading to Citrix Presentation Server 4 running on Windows 2003 server, again not officially certified as far as I can see. It would be good to see Citrix/Terminal Services certified and supported.
As far as Vista is concerned we wouldn't even start looking at evaluating it until it had been out for at least 6 months (and usually once the first service pack had come out).

Posted by Ian Neal on April 02, 2007 at 04:19 AM PDT #

We are part of the Microsoft early adopter rollout for Vista. We have been trying to plan for the rollout, but because of the issue with IE7 and Vista with jinitiator we are at a stand still. We have tested jinitiator 1.3.1.21 and replaced jvm.dll with the one from both the Sun Java jre 1.5.0.9 and 1.6 jre packages and the 11i applications are working fine with both.
If Oracle will not release an new jinitiator, will you at least "certify" jinitiator with this work around until a "real" solution is determined?

Posted by John Wier on April 16, 2007 at 04:46 AM PDT #

John,Independent of the Microsoft Vista certification, I would strongly recommend against such modifications to Jinitiator.  This would fall deeply in the category of unsupported customizations.  If you encounter any issues with a customized Jinitiator configuration, Oracle Support would require those issues to be reproduced in a standard Jinitiator release before requesting any E-Business Suite patches.We have discussions underway with Microsoft right now on options for accelerating our Vista certification with the E-Business Suite.  I'll post more details on this blog as soon as possible.  In the interim, to help us prioritize this properly, please drop me a private email with the following information:When will your organization first start conducting trials of Vista?
When will Vista be rolled out to the majority of your desktops?  How many desktops?
When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 11i?
When will you need Vista to be certified with Release 12?Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on April 20, 2007 at 07:52 AM PDT #

hi steven,
an update on the subject, we had a case opend with microsoft for this issue and they close it now at the end of the case microsoft engineer infromed me the follwoing and i would like to shar it with you, maybe it will help solving vista issue.
the engineer said "As agreed, your existing support case SRQ070227600609 will now be closed.
Therefore, if we can be of any further assistance on this case or if you have any suggestions for improving our service please do not hesitate to contact either myself or my manager.

If Oracle want to contact us in relation to this, then TSANET may be an option for them (http://www.tsanet.org)."

thanks
fadi

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on April 24, 2007 at 08:12 PM PDT #

Thanks, Fadi.  We're working directly with the Microsoft Vista team on this right now,Regards,Steven 

Posted by Steven Chan on April 25, 2007 at 01:06 AM PDT #

great and good luck

Posted by Fadi Hasweh on April 25, 2007 at 07:09 PM PDT #

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