Interim Update #1: Certifying Windows 7 with Oracle E-Business Suite

[Dec 16, 2009: Windows 7 is now certified with the E-Business Suite; see this article] [Oct 22, 2009: A more-recent update on our Windows 7 certification is published here.] Microsoft windows 7 logo

Microsoft Windows 7 has been getting a lot of headlines recently.  This seems to have triggered an small but noticeable increase in questions about our plans for certifying this operating system for E-Business Suite desktop clients. 

We're working with pre-release versions of Windows 7 right now.  For the usual reasons that regular readers could have predicted, I can't share any certification schedules or date estimates here. I can provide an interim update on the following Win7 questions:

  1. Which EBS releases will be certified with Windows 7?
  2. Which browsers will be certified?
  3. Will Oracle JInitiator Be certified for EBS on Windows 7?
  4. Which Windows 7 editions will be certified?
  5. What about Windows 7E?
  6. What about Windows XP Mode?

This is the first of what I expect will be multiple updates on our Windows 7 certification process.  You're welcome to monitor or subscribe to this blog for later updates.  As always, the answers to these questions may change as we move through the certification cycle. 

Which EBS Releases Will Be Certified with Windows 7?

We plan on certifying the following Oracle E-Business Suite release with Windows 7:

  • EBS 11i version 11.5.10.2
  • EBS 12.0.4 and and higher

Which Browsers Will Be Certified?

We plan on certifying the following browsers with the E-Business Suite on Windows 7:

  • Internet Explorer 8
  • Firefox 3.5

Will Oracle JInitiator Be Certified for EBS on Windows 7?

No.  We plan to certify only the native Sun Java Runtime Engine (JRE) with Windows 7.  We have no plans to certify Oracle JInitiator with Windows 7.  

Oracle JInitiator 1.1.8 was desupported in December 2008, and Oracle JInitiator 1.3 will be desupported for EBS customers at the end of July 2009.  For more information about JInitiator desupport and switching your EBS end-users from JInitiator to the Sun JRE, see:

Which Windows 7 Editions Will Be Certified?

We plan to test E-Business Suite compatibility against Windows 7 Professional Edition with the E-Business Suite.  We fully expect that other Win7 editions will work, but we have no current plans to explicitly test the Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, or Enterprise Editions with the E-Business Suite.

What About Windows 7E?

I've been following the latest developments on the awkwardly-named "E editions of Windows 7" with some interest.  Microsoft's current documentation on these E editions of Windows 7 is notably scant, but confirms that certain versions of Windows 7 released in the European Economic Area, Croatia, and Switzerland will not include Internet Explorer.

Our current plans are to certify the "non E" edition of Windows 7 with the E-Business Suite with the browsers listed above.  We're currently assuming that that will be functionally-equivalent to doing a custom (clean) installation of the E editions of Windows 7 and then subsequently installing IE or Firefox. 

If this turns out not to be true, we'll revise our certification plans accordingly.  In this scenario, it would be reasonable to expect that the certification of E editions of Windows 7 will lag behind the certification of the standard Windows 7 release.

What About Windows XP Mode?

Microsoft indicates that end-users will be able to run Windows XP in a virtualized environment running via Windows Virtual PC on a Win7 desktop client.  This will presumably be functionally-equivalent to running Windows XP natively.

We have no plans to conduct separate EBS certification efforts for WinXP+Virtual PC images running on Win7 clients. 

What Are Your Organization's Plans for Windows 7?

Anecdotal reports from some EBS customers seem to suggest that your plans for Windows 7 will parallel that of Windows Vista:  namely, that new PCs that arrive with Windows 7 will either stay that way or will be downgraded to WinXP for the short term.  I haven't yet heard of any customers with plans to deploy widespread upgrades across the enterprise.

I'd be very interested in hearing your plans for rolling out Windows 7 in your organization.  Feel free to post a comment here or drop me an email with more details about your deployment plans.

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Comments:

Hi,

I tried Windows Seven Build 7100 with Firefox 3.5 and with our professional ebusiness 11i suite (11.5.10.2). We are using Jinitiator 1.3.1.26 and The result is...

It works !

I tried with IE8 but it doesn't work just like in all windows version with IE8...

Posted by Olivier from France on July 02, 2009 at 09:29 PM PDT #

Hi, Olivier,

Well, colour me surprised! Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. JInitiator 1.3 is built on JDK 1.3, which both Sun and Microsoft stated were incompatible with Vista. Microsoft must be doing something exotic under the covers with Windows 7.

Either way, we have not plans to certify or support the use of JInitiator 1.3 with Windows 7. Nice to hear that it might work, but I personally wouldn't entrust my enterprise desktop strategy to something that's not supported either by Oracle, Sun, or Microsoft.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on July 06, 2009 at 03:54 AM PDT #

Hi Steven,

It is our understanding that Microsoft will end XP installs on new hardware by the end of the year. Based on that assumption our company is planning to begin testing Windows 7 in October and with a full deployment planned for Summer 2010.

Thanks, Dawna.

Posted by Dawna Roberts on July 06, 2009 at 04:47 AM PDT #

Hi, Dawna,

Thanks for the update on your Win7 plans.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on July 07, 2009 at 03:24 AM PDT #

We are already having issues getting hardware that works with XP so we have an interim measure to install these machines with Vista. When Windows 7 is released (currently scheduled in October), we'll be upgrading these machines as well as our existing XP machines to Windows 7. This will probably begin in December of this year if the apps and discoverer are certified by then.

Posted by Carol Mull on July 08, 2009 at 03:01 AM PDT #

Hi, Carol,

Thanks for the update on your plans. I appreciate the insight into the procurement issues that are driving your upgrade strategy.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on July 09, 2009 at 06:11 AM PDT #

hi ,all:
I have found a way to use EBS on windows7(7264)+IE8,
the steps as follow:
1. install jre 1.6 ;
2. install jinitiator ,and try to open form on ie8 ,make ie8 crashed;
3. instead the jvm.dll file in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_04\bin\client) of C:\Program Files\Oracle\JInitiator 1.3.1.21\bin\hotspot;
4. add a file font.properties.zh.6.1 in C:\Program Files\Oracle\JInitiator 1.3.1.21\lib, it sloves the font problem

after the 4 steps ,the form can works well on windows7 with IE8
enjoy~

Posted by ddy on July 10, 2009 at 08:25 PM PDT #

Hello, DDY,

We don't recommend hacking up JInitiator with selected DLLs from later JRE releases to run on Windows 7. I've recently written an article about hacking up JInit to run on Vista:

Running JInitiator on Vista Desktops - http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2009/03/running_jinitiator_on_vista_desktops.html

The same support implications for Vista apply to Windows 7 for these types of customized JInit clients.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on July 14, 2009 at 03:26 AM PDT #

Hi Steven,

When can we anticipate IE 8 certification on both 11i and 12i servers?

Regards,
Phani.K

Posted by PhaniK on August 03, 2009 at 09:24 AM PDT #

Hi, Phani,

I'm afraid that I'm not permitted to discuss release dates for future certifications, for reasons that I've covered here:

Loose Lips Sink Ships -
http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2007/03/loose_lips_sink_ships.html

The latest update on our pending IE8 certification for the E-Business Suite is published here:

Interim Update #3: Using IE8 with E-Business Suite - http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2009/06/interim_update_3_using_ie8_with_e-business_suite.html

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on August 05, 2009 at 06:09 AM PDT #

Hi,

I did a new try with Windows 7 Professional (6.1, version 7600) with both Firefox 3.5.1 and with firefox 3.0 and with our professional ebusiness 11i suite (11.5.10.2). We are using Jinitiator 1.3.1.26 and unfortunately it didn't work anymore... (see the 3rd july post)

I tried with IE8 but it didn't work too !

Bad surprise !

Posted by Olivier on September 16, 2009 at 04:50 PM PDT #

Hi,

Our IT experts are testing EBS 12.1.1 with Windows 7, using IE8 and FireFox 3.5 and JRE 1.6.0_u16 - it works perfectly BUT there is a performance issue with eBS Java Forms. Whatever a user does in Java forms, all the form elements reacts with small pauses and Windows cursor changing to "waiting" (a moving circle) style. This is very annoying.

Our company expects shipping of new computers with preinstalled Windows 7 after 22nd of October this year. We expect flawless functionality of eBS on these computers but find the unusual performance issue will be annoying for our users.

Posted by Alex Cherkas on October 01, 2009 at 09:07 PM PDT #

HI, Alex,

I'm glad that you're finding no issues with browser compatibility.

We haven't completed our Windows 7 certification yet, so I don't have any substantive suggestions for you. On first principles alone, I've found that these types of performance issues tend to be driven by I/0-bound or CPU-bound constraints at the individual desktop level. In other words, I suspect that there's little that you can do to optimize this performance by tuning E-Business Suite application tier servers or database servers. Our Oracle team can help you optimize server performance, but desktop performance is a different matter, I'm afraid.

Our of curiousity, have you tried the same tests on either a WinXP or Vista desktop? Do the same performance lags occur? If the answer is yes, then there may be a deeper issue at work, and we should investigate with a formal Service Request.

If the answer is no then it sounds like you need to look into general Windows 7 performance tuning options. That might be worth engaging your Microsoft team on.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on October 02, 2009 at 03:10 AM PDT #

Hi Steven,

In testing Windows7 along with IE8, we found an error that occurred when trying to drillback into Oracle 11.5.10.2 via the workflow notification to view a journal. The error message is as follows:

FRM-92050: Failed to Connect to the server:
/forms/form servlet-1

Once you close the screen, it remains gray and you cannot view journal.

This does not occur on IE7/Windows XP.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Lagray

Posted by Lagray E Wells on October 07, 2009 at 02:35 AM PDT #

Hi, Lagray,

We're still working on our Win7 certification. I can't comment on this particular issue. I'd recommend holding off on running Windows 7 clients with Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i until we complete our certification and publish any necessary patches and configuration guidelines for that client operating system.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on October 07, 2009 at 06:38 AM PDT #

Dear all who using JInitiator With Windows 7 :-

i installed Netscape and Jinitor 1.3.1.22 On windows 7 , but it's too slowly when user moving between text box in form , Any suggestion ??

Thanks
Karim

Posted by Karim Al Sayed on October 21, 2009 at 02:25 AM PDT #

Hi, Karim,

I'm not surprised that you're encountering problems. To summarize:

- JInitiator 1.3 -- desupported
- Netscape -- desupported
- Windows 7 -- not certified yet

I would recommend using a certified configuration, such as IE 7 or Firefox 3.5 running the native Sun JRE on Windows XP.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on October 21, 2009 at 05:11 AM PDT #

Hi Steven,
We're currently testing Windows 7 (64bit) + IE8 against our 11.5.10.2 suite using the Sun JRE 1.6.0_12+. That configuration is working extremely well with no issues. We've been very pleased with the performance and stability. We plan to deploy Windows 7 in late 2010 due to compatibility issues with IE8 and some of our other enterprise apps.

Posted by Mark Coleman on October 23, 2009 at 09:25 PM PDT #

Mark,

Thanks for the update on your experiences and your plans for Win7. Good luck with your rollout.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on October 27, 2009 at 02:49 AM PDT #

Hi ,
Could you Pls update with latest News on certification of Windows 7 and how we can access E Suit form Windows 7 OS.

regards
Alex Chacko

Posted by Alex Chacko on February 07, 2010 at 03:10 AM PST #

Hi, Alex,

See:

Microsoft Windows 7 Certified with Oracle E-Business Suite
http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2009/12/win7_certified_ebs.html

That's linked at the top of this interim update. Also note that you can find a list of all of our latest certifications by clicking on the "Certifications" tab on the menu bar of this blog.

Regards,
Steven

Posted by Steven Chan on February 07, 2010 at 03:21 AM PST #

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