Three strikes, you're out (but it's only the first inning of a preseason game)

The indiana prototype was released with the name "opensolaris developer preview".  Having installed it and (briefly) attempted to get work done on it, I'm even more convinced the name was vastly premature.

 opensolaris. nope.  it's the prototype output of a small implementation team and hasn't been through the rigor and wringer of the development process.  It's a fascinating and impressive start, but.. it's not opensolaris yet, and I'm skeptical of some of the design choices (admittedly, I always am..)

 developer.  I'm a developer so it should be for me to use?  I installed it.  I tried to run bugster to file a bug.  Nope, no java.  Tried to build some simple C programs.  Nope, No C compiler, no make.  Tried to add the binary nvidia driver so the display didn't look crappy -- got that working but it was an adventure -- pkgadd(1m) is busted so I had to pkgadd -R on a different system, rsync the bits over, and re-run the package's postinstall script a few times before it "took".

If you want to play with the new packaging system, make sure you have another system running SXCE handy to actually do builds.  And if you see something unexpected, please file bugs early and often.   If you actually want to get work done, you're better off with SXDE/SXCE until further notice.

preview.  When I hear "preview" I think "movie sneak preview" .. getting a look at the almost-final production before they come out.  SXCE & SXDE are previews.  The Indiana prototype is like the raw footage viewed by the production team the day after it's shot before the bloopers have been edited out.

Tim Foster's critique misses the point of the engineering objections.  Attaching this name to a pre-alpha snapshot demo which is simply not even close to done is a mistake.  It might make sense when Indiana is a little better baked, but IMHO, the current name attached to the current bits hurts the "brand".  IMHO the name should have been held in reserve until it was ready for community endorsement. 


 

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I had used Nexenta for more than a year but gave up and switched to Ubuntu (fiesty). I tried to get this dev preview working on 2 different systems. One loaded so slow I gave up and tried it on a faster system but got "FATAL SIGNAL 9" errors. Gave up and did the gutsy install. That worked.

I'll try again in 6 months. Basically every time I have to upgrade I'll see what the state of solaris is at and give it a spin. I really like zfs, zones and dtrace. Any 1 of those 3 is worth the effort.

So far though solaris doesn't cut it on the desktop where I want this. Oh well see you in 6 months.

Posted by Tim on November 06, 2007 at 03:13 AM EST #

[ That Tim wasn't me :-) ]

Yep I'm all for rigour in the long term, and while I think "Preview" is an okay name, you're right that it's too open for misinterpretation. It's all about context.

I maintain that putting "OpenSolaris" on it is a good idea.

If their last view of OpenSolaris was a crufty installer, an unpleasant packaging system and an unfamiliar environment, then I'd still much rather see a bleeding alpha like this that points to where we're going, than nothing at all. But I know people disagree with me :-)

Posted by Tim Foster on November 06, 2007 at 04:38 AM EST #

(Original) Tim, could you please either follow up with another comment or even better log a bug at http://defect.opensolaris.org/ providing information on the two different systems you had problems with? That's the best way of letting us know what we need to address.

Posted by David Comay on November 06, 2007 at 01:41 PM EST #

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