IBM Feels the Heat?

I sometimes really enjoy reading discussions on Slashdot. This one is interesting, IBM is saying that OpenSolaris is not as open as it should be. C'mon, a company that keeps it's own operating system proprietary (AIX) is telling another company how to be really open? I would say: IBM, first open source your OS and then tell Sun what to do, ok? The best way to fight such FUD is by simply telling the facts.

Sun is not a perfect company. But it contributes to open source projects by more code than any other company and as an insider I know there are many great engineers in here who love working on open source projects. IBM must really feel the heat...

But you are not angered, right?

Posted by Roman Rubio on srpen 17, 2006 at 03:40 odp. CEST #

No, I'm not.

Posted by Roumen on srpen 17, 2006 at 03:46 odp. CEST #

I'm sure that the next one will be complained is Java ;-)

Posted by t800t8 on srpen 17, 2006 at 07:20 odp. CEST #

Oh, yes, definitely.

Posted by Roumen on srpen 18, 2006 at 01:10 dop. CEST #

But next time, you will have nothing to compare (like AIX) ;-)

Posted by t800t8 on srpen 18, 2006 at 01:22 dop. CEST #

Well, they also produce their own JVMs. Last time I checked they weren't opensource... ;)

Posted by Roumen on srpen 18, 2006 at 01:42 dop. CEST #

Roman Rubio t800t8 Do you work for IBM?

Posted by Vano Beridze on srpen 18, 2006 at 03:55 dop. CEST #

Ok, so the 116 or 119 code contributions from outside Sun to OpenSolaris so far don't really sound impressive - but then they just get started. What I do read somewhere else is that Sun has special veto / voting power on the OpenSolaris steering committed which - if true - would mean that it's different from, say, Apache or Eclipse, and you could point to that as being "not really open". But then again, there are many defitionitions of open. I also read that when an outsider contributes code to OpenSolaris, the copyright of the code goes to Sun, and that this leaves outside developers at a disadvantage (essentially, Sun can do anything with your code while the original owner of the code cannot). If that is true, that would be also more like a JBoss model (which has been accused of being a "proprietary vendor with a public CVS tree" due to the license, the copyright handling and the fact that the very vast majority of code comes from the JBoss company). At the end of the day, although I'm a happy Linux user, I like OpenSolaris being around because it doesn't hurt me in any way (especially, since it doesn't have taken "the Linux developers away") and provides for some competition, which is good most often. Clearly, IBM is in the market for making money, as is Sun, so the same way that Sun often goes after IBM (and its Global Service business), IBM goes after Sun. :-) As far as spreading FUD is concerned - what's with the "Borland doesn't invest in tools anymore, so come to Netbeans" campaign ( This statement is, at best, questionable, and there some rather heated rebuttals (see .

Posted by Karsten Silz on srpen 18, 2006 at 06:09 dop. CEST #

As I said, Sun is not perfect. As for the heated reaction, well this guy never liked whatever Sun did :) At any case Borland is selling it's tools division and their future indeed is uncertain. Maybe it will be better, maybe worse, but it's definitely uncertain.

Posted by Roumen on srpen 18, 2006 at 06:48 dop. CEST #

With regards to Borland: Borland just announced that the "Turbo" line of development products will be back (,1895,2000205,00.asp) and that they intend to have sold their tool division by end of September (,1895,1993731,00.asp). Borland has announced many times that they only sell to somebody who will invest in the tools - why would someone fork $100 million to shut down the business afterwards? JBuilder will soon be based on Eclipse (which Sun doesn't like too much, I guess), and as the other examples show, you can make money selling Eclipse tools. Finally, one could argue with the current restructuring going on at Sun, the future of Netbeans is uncertain as well. ;-)

Posted by Karsten Silz on srpen 18, 2006 at 07:04 dop. CEST #

I saw these announcements - well, the IDE market is commoditizing, so the future will show ;) I only think that if a company decides to sell a division, it most probably doesn't mean anything good. But I may be wrong. As for the future of NetBeans, current restructuring didn't affect NetBeans so far. If you ask Jonathan Schwartz, he'll tell you how adoption of Solaris and NetBeans is importan for Sun. Also, Sun finally got it right that other IDE's of Sun are now available as (or becoming) packs for NetBeans.

Does this also look as optimistic as the annoucements? :)

Posted by Roumen on srpen 18, 2006 at 07:29 dop. CEST #

Ha ha, I saw JBuilder's trend. China and Vietnam are at the first and second position. I know why because I'm a Vietnamese. But I'm not using JBuilder. Eclipse? Same as JBuilder. Netbeans I play with sometimes. My main Java IDE is IntelliJ IDEA. And now I'm waiting for Netbeans beats IDEA ;-)

Posted by t800t8 on srpen 18, 2006 at 08:25 dop. CEST #

Vano, I have nothing relate with IBM. Read my posts more carefully, you will see ;-)

Posted by t800t8 on srpen 18, 2006 at 08:42 dop. CEST #

I do not work in IBM, i´m only a member of the Roumen Army, representing the Mexico City.

Posted by Roman Rubio on srpen 18, 2006 at 09:07 dop. CEST #

LOL, I don't have any army...

Posted by Roumen on srpen 18, 2006 at 09:09 dop. CEST #

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