I want Apple Itunes on OpenSolaris - vote here ???

Hi All,

 So we started a list to get Adobe to give us  Reader on Solaris.

 I'd like to start a campaign to get Apple to port ITunes to OpenSolaris.

 Comment "Yes" to vote.

Dave

Update 1/26/09

Sorry everyone, I understand that there a lots of ways to deal with music for an IPOD on opensolaris already.

- Libgpod (possible legal issues)

- gtkpod

- rhytmbox

- songbird

- etc

I'm looking at a new non technical user in an emerging market, being presented with a netbook choice, who already has an IPod, Itunes makes the choice for them Windows or MAC.

IPOD is the driver in the market, ITunes is how you download and managed the device.

The option for WINE or Vitrualbox and Windows is just overkill to save having to talk with Apple.

I really don't want to be a second class IPOD support platform.

Update 1/1/26/09 10:34 pst

I love my ITouch, I cannnot get to it from OpenSolaris with GTKPod or Rhytmbox without hacking on it.

With an IPod Nano I can get OpenSolaris to open GTKPod or Rhytmbox when I plug it into the laptop.

There are lots of different formats I can handle on my laptop based on the fact I'm a pretty good hacker.

I don't want users who buy a netbook from a OpenSolaris OEM to have to do that.

You guys are really building a great list of applications we should have native on OpenSolaris.

I'm not sure about you guys but I get very few "Blue Screens of Death" or system crashes with OpenSolaris, I really don't have to worry about viruses either.

If we are going to keep Sun investing in OpenSolaris, we have to make it usable by a novice user, it just has to work like a Windows or Apple netbook.

We have the Firefox browser, Evolution for mail, calendar, todo and memos. OpenOffice for docs, spreadsheets and presentations.

We need the killer app, I think it's ITunes.

I've kept a Windows XP Home partition on one of the Acer One netbooks just for ITunes.

I'm really enjoying buying DVD's with digital copy, that I download the movie onto my ITouch for on the plane rides I take.

I want to have only one laptop, one set of data stores and one set of applications.

Update 1/26/09 12:05 pst

Yes, making a deal for proprietary software is in general not a good idea.

The issue is my bosses are asking me how to make money on OpenSolaris so we can keep pumping in lots of development resources ($$$$)

Where is the biggest area of group in the market today ? netbooks

What stops regular John Doe and Jane Doe from buying a Linux or OpenSolaris netbook solution ?

I cannot sync my IPOD, I cannot buy music or movies from Apple.

Plus the other software people have mentioned today, Skype.

The only way to get these companies to invest in OpenSolaris is to show them consumer volumes with OpenSolaris.

Comments:

Yes, .... and equally important is Skype on Solaris!

Posted by M. Mortazavi on January 25, 2009 at 01:14 PM PST #

yes, we can! Skype and itunes on Solaris!

Posted by Madhan Kumar on January 25, 2009 at 01:39 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by satokaz on January 25, 2009 at 01:52 PM PST #

Yes

Given what Apple have taken from OpenSolaris recently (ZFS, DTrace, what next? Crossbow?) and FreeBSD it would be good to see them give something more back to the open source world. I know they have contributed some stuff in the past, e.g BSD bits and MDNSResponder.

What I'd really like to see (and will never happen) is pro audio stuff for opensolaris. Cubase/Nuendo and that world.

Posted by sOzlaris on January 25, 2009 at 02:04 PM PST #

Yes, plus google earth.

Posted by Tony on January 25, 2009 at 02:46 PM PST #

Yes, and also Skype on x86 and SPARC

Posted by Ewald Ertl on January 25, 2009 at 03:36 PM PST #

I'd add Metatrader to the list. The only reason I still use Windoze is because Metatrader works well only on it (there are wine hacks, but I wouldn't trust my business on it).

Posted by Kishor Gurtu on January 25, 2009 at 03:57 PM PST #

Good idea. Why not start a list for Adobe to give us their CS for Unix? It's the last obstacle for me to perform a full transition into Unix in a local daily.

Posted by klon on January 25, 2009 at 04:09 PM PST #

@klon
just a hint :
- Dreamweaver : useless (depending on the scenario : vi/vim, emacs, netbeans, eclipse, etc.)
- Photoshop : Gimp (does about 80% of the job ?)
- Adobe : Inkscape (same as above)
- InDesign : Scribus (idem)
Sure enough, none of the last three ones are as user-friendly and industry standards compliant as Adobe's, still do it in many situations.

Posted by Jean-Claude Vandonghen on January 25, 2009 at 04:23 PM PST #

"Given what Apple have taken from OpenSolaris recently (ZFS, DTrace, what next? Crossbow?) and FreeBSD it would be good to see them give something more back to the open source world"

They might rip off Zones next, and give it one of their "cute" (vomit) names; how's about "Apple Carts"? :-p

I have to say after being a Apple fan for the longest time I'm having real problems with their direction as a company, and it seems they are revealing themselves more and more as a company that is still very much about lock-in. The actual amount of innovation present in OS X is disproportionate to the marketing surrounding it, and it's quite telling how key features of OS X 10.5/6 are products of Sun engineering.

Eg. I'd love to see them release QT for platforms other than OSX/Windows (hell, maybe even open source it) but I don't see it happening as long as they have an autocrat at the wheel. Still, dreams are free...

Not coincidentally my disillusionment with Apple occurred over the same time-frame as playing around with Solaris and OpenSolaris :)

Posted by Dave on January 25, 2009 at 04:34 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Che Kristo on January 25, 2009 at 04:42 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Suresh Raju on January 25, 2009 at 05:01 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Sergey Shapovalov on January 25, 2009 at 05:11 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Andreas Nilsson on January 25, 2009 at 05:14 PM PST #

Yes (though Songbird is really catching up fast : it and an iPod plugin for OpenSolaris, and I'd probably ditch iTunes altogether)

Posted by Tim Foster on January 25, 2009 at 05:42 PM PST #

YES

Posted by Simon Glassman on January 25, 2009 at 05:43 PM PST #

No.

iTunes is not needed. Use Songbird instead and contribute your time and skills to make it better. It makes more sense to support open-source software than to call for proprietary software to be ported over (and to be realistic, this is not going to happen with iTunes given the volume and technical barrier).

Posted by Vladimir Kotal on January 25, 2009 at 05:48 PM PST #

iTunes actually can be made work on Solaris/OpenSolaris using the windows version with wine. I successfully made it play music to my airport express. It still doesn't run perfectly but it can only get better with time.

Posted by Mark Phalan on January 25, 2009 at 05:58 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by varese on January 25, 2009 at 08:16 PM PST #

No from me, sry

IMHO iTunes and the Apple Store don't go very well with the new FOSS spirit Solaris now has

Apple is using DRM to protect their (Apple Store) songs (yes I know, they're about to remove that) and non-free Codecs (like mp3, aac and Apple's own loseless compression)

honestly, Freedom and OpenSource shouldn't stop in front of our mp3 players and multimedia apps

so let's rather vote for OGG and Theora support in iTunes/Store/iPod/etc. :)

just my 0.02 EUR

PS: did you take a look at Songbird? you can have that now :)

Posted by Anon Ymous on January 25, 2009 at 08:43 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Anthony Scotti on January 25, 2009 at 09:08 PM PST #

Re Skype, I've heard that OpenSolaris is on their radar, albeit some way off.

iTunes? Don't see the need, I can buy the same downloads from amazon.[com|uk] on OpenSolaris already.

Posted by guest on January 25, 2009 at 09:09 PM PST #

Yes please !!

Posted by George Shepherd on January 25, 2009 at 09:55 PM PST #

@Jean-Claude Vandonghen:

I know about all of the FOSS alternatives. Problem is, they do not work for a daily paper. Well, Gimp, Inkscape - those two I could give a try. Still, Scribus is as for now not even a considerable alternative - I've used it personally to make some posters, I know it is being used by Linux Magazine and Blender Magazine (correct me, if it's not true, I do not remember it's usage spread well) - but those are not dailies. In our daily, "Kurier Wileński", we have two DTP people, who have to prepare 24 pages in 6 hours, every day. And in dailies (serious ones, not the tabloids) you have very strict formatting. Scribus just doesn't fit in into our requirements.

And believe me, I'd really love it if it would :)

Posted by Rajmund Klonowski on January 25, 2009 at 11:03 PM PST #

Port quicktime 1st and then iTunes should be able to follow without much problem.

Posted by KFR on January 25, 2009 at 11:36 PM PST #

Yes

Posted by Luis Useche on January 25, 2009 at 11:40 PM PST #

Yeah that's just what OpenSolaris needs - more proprietary software.

Posted by andrewk8 on January 26, 2009 at 03:46 AM PST #

What possible difference does it make whether software available on OpenSolaris is proprietary or free?

From an overarching point of view, if Photoshop were available on OpenSolaris that would in no way impact the efficacy of the GIMP, but rather it would allow those currently using Photoshop to migrate to a more robust operating system than they are using now.

The same is true for iTunes; there are very likely users out there who use Mac OS X or Windows just so they can purchase music from the iTMS and easily sync their iPods.

Whether you like Apple's business model for the iTMS or encrypted AAC files, if iTunes were available for OpenSolaris it would be a net win in terms of making OpenSolaris are more hospitable environment for any number of applications from personal use to multimedia kiosks.

Posted by Bill on January 26, 2009 at 04:56 AM PST #

Yes, clearly.. !
Is this a rhetorical question ?

Posted by Edward O'Callaghan on January 26, 2009 at 09:40 AM PST #

Yes

Posted by Stephen on January 26, 2009 at 09:51 AM PST #

sry, but - wtf? i dont need no stinking ubuntu user crowd! there are much more things that are more important then f\*cking itunes.
there are a lot of regressions to fix, like the one in the pcfs driver. i cant write on my usb masstorage style mp3 player... many usb 2.0 sticks get handled as usb 1.0. we still dont have any bluetooth support etc.
but sure, sun folks keep using there macs with there beloved itunes.

Posted by Jonas on January 26, 2009 at 06:14 PM PST #

Yes please!

Posted by Torbjørn Fallsen on January 26, 2009 at 08:57 PM PST #

"The issue is my bosses are asking me how to make money on OpenSolaris so we can keep pumping in lots of development resources ($$$$)"

About making $$$, how do I bring this situation to Sun's attention? Not strictly an OpenSolaris opportunity, but I think a really big one.
Check Point owns the largest share of the market for network firewalls. This is a huge market. Almost all Check Point firewalls are delivered on i86 architecture hosts running IPSO (a FreeBSD derivative by Nokia), or SecurePlatform (a Linux distribution by Check Point). The advantage that these platforms have is that they present themselves as appliances, with very nice web interfaces for easy administration, and have been tuned to work with the Check Point software.
However both platforms are having real difficulty right now with
1) scaling to multi-core / multi-processor platforms that can support multiple security applications on a single host such as: firewall + IPS + network anti-virus + anti-spam + ... + ...
2) 32-bit limits on the number of possible concurrent connections, and available memory
3) increasing throughput.

Here is the opportunity: Check Point firewall software is fully supported on Solaris, SPARC only. If someone like the Fishworks guys put a nice appliance interface on Sun SPARC UltraSPARC T2 CMT servers with Check Point firewall, they could just own this market. Modern network security devices don't need high single-threaded performance, what they need is great throughput, high parallelism, lower cost. It seems obvious to me that Sun could easily just take over this market with the entry of Check Point UTM (all-in-one security devices) on OpenSolaris with an excellent web GUI, on UltraSPARC T2 hardware.

Posted by Matthew Martin on January 27, 2009 at 01:08 AM PST #

Hi,

Great information Thanks

I'll get it to the right people inside Sun.

Dave

Posted by David Clack on January 27, 2009 at 01:51 AM PST #

i reluctantly say yes .. no I say no .... what about quicktime i'd say yes to that...
oh ok - yes to itunes

opensolaris... the third place
http://my.spill.com/video/video/show?id=947994%3AVideo%3A309369

Posted by phil on January 27, 2009 at 08:22 PM PST #

Yes!

Posted by Vayu Shanti on January 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM PST #

It seems that there is a porting effort going on for skype
http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=26856

Posted by youth against youth on January 28, 2009 at 07:52 PM PST #

This is a refreshing difference between the Linux and OpenSolaris communities. Large elements of the Linux community would simply pan iTunes as bloated, useless software, and point out that they can hack some interface to the iPod. However, the OpenSolaris community seems to be more pragmatic, realizing that the lack of commercial software such as iTunes and Photoshop is a limitation to the platform that needs to be resolved.

With all due respect to the excellent usability of Ubuntu and other modern Linux ditros, adding iTunes would instantly elevate OpenSolaris over Linux as a usable consumer platform. It would mean that anybody would an iPhone or iPod would be able to use OpenSolaris as their main operating system. It would mean legal and free access to media codecs (MP3, ACC, MOV, MP4) and purchase of DRM-free big label media for those outside the U.S. and U.K. (the Amazon MP3 store is not yet available in Canada).

Still, I can't see what's in it for Apple to do this, since they would prefer that you buy a Mac, and only ported iTunes to Windows with great reluctance so they sell more iPods.

Posted by Luke on February 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM PST #

P.S. I vote YES.

Posted by Luke on February 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM PST #

Hi Luke,

Thanks for the great support and analysis.

Dave

Posted by David Clack on February 12, 2009 at 01:54 AM PST #

Yes.
I like open source software, and I like commercial software. I want both.
I'd love to see the Apple iLife suite on OpenSolaris, for example.

Posted by Alias Node on March 17, 2009 at 10:56 AM PDT #

Skype and iTunes - an absolute MUST ! Without Skype I cannot get my co-workers to switch - and Skype won't work on VirtualBox running with Solaris as host. (You cannot talk - mic not supported ?)

Posted by bruehlicke on April 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM PDT #

I also need the following on open solaris

1. google chrome
2. gom player (vlc is good but gom is excellent)
3. notepad ++
4. picassa
5. audio and video converters

Posted by venkata sudheer on June 17, 2009 at 07:39 AM PDT #

Yes, for sure! Would be very nice!

Posted by Paulo Canedo on July 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM PDT #

Yes. Not everyone is a skilled hacker and opensource solution is not in a quick path to seamlessly compatible to work with iPOD/iPhone well. I need it. \^\^

Posted by Tejung Chiang on August 07, 2009 at 01:03 PM PDT #

YES but how can u make those formats (AAC, MP4, etc....)compatible with osol without changing the OS ??????

Posted by joe on August 30, 2009 at 01:10 PM PDT #

Yes

Posted by joeshmo on August 31, 2009 at 04:21 AM PDT #

Yes Make quicktime for opensolaris, this is so ridiculous, OS will never become a major competitor without quicktime support, h.264 and windows media just to name a few....
I love Opensolaris, lets let it rip some Micorshaft A$$

Posted by Peter on September 12, 2009 at 09:02 PM PDT #

Yes! I have an iPod Touch, and because of it, I cannot totally move away from Windows on my personal laptop. Also, I would really like to see Google Earth and Picasa ported to OpenSolaris as well.

Posted by Charles on October 20, 2009 at 07:22 AM PDT #

Yes, please, please, please!

Posted by Cal on November 09, 2009 at 01:56 PM PST #

Yes. Without iTunes, i can not sync data with my iTouch.

Posted by Ed on November 24, 2009 at 08:31 AM PST #

YES

Posted by koos on November 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM PST #

Of course, yes.

Posted by Brian Leonard on February 15, 2010 at 06:04 AM PST #

From the perspective that this was initially a 'partition' to demonstrate to Apple that they should consider iTunes on OpenSolaris, I say Hell Yes.

Of course, free is great. Fee Free is great... But - where I have paid for a device, (ie: iPOD / iPhone etc), and want to use it everywhere, what could be better than having it fully supported under OpenSolaris.

Posted by Nathan on April 14, 2010 at 04:18 PM PDT #

Apple are coporate whores plain and simple and they're winning the market against Micro$oft as I type, the only time they will make the proprietery jump is if Solaris suddenly revealed to them a %Percentage increase in proffits, they only ported to PC to punk Micro$oft's of its customer base (any one rememeber Zune?) and the fact they had a billion dollar$ injected by Gates. We all need to start walking away from these " Shut up, watch and play with this, you are free to do as WE TELL YOU " psychopaths and they're faulty products.

Posted by Darth Mobius on June 02, 2010 at 02:39 PM PDT #

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