Acer One Aspire 11.6" with Poulsbo chipset - OpenSolaris 1002 B123

Hi All,

 So I wanted to test the Intel Poulsbo chipset with OpenSolaris to see if it was a solution to a fan less embedded product.

I could not find a cheap motherboard with the chipset, on my weekend trip to CostCo, they had the Acer Aspire One 11.6" netbook for $278, what a deal.

Frys has the 2Gb 250Gb HD model for $379

Walmart is $348 for the same as I have.

I just wanted to test the chipset :-)

Anyway it has the Intel Poulsbo chipset that looks like it has a video controller from

http://www.imgtec.com/

This is a good writeup on the Intel Poulsbo chipset

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3276&p=16

Anyway, no 2D or 3D video driver for Xorg, the usb is really weird, keeps pushing the cursor into the top left corner.

RealTek Ethernet and Atheros wifi work.

I'd decided to change out the mini pci-e wifi for an 802.11n one, boy did I get a shock when I opened the hatch in the bootom on the wifi card looks like half a postage stamp.

Found a 802.11n same size on Ebay.

I did my standard install with Windows 7, just took 1/3 of disk for C drive, then created an 80 Gb what I thought was FAT32 partition, it came up as exFAT, OpenSolaris cannot month this.

Changed it back to FAT32 with Paragon Partition Manager 10.0 Personal Edition.

It said it did a format in place, there went my iTunes folder, Pictures and Videos.

Thank goodness I have the Maxtor OneTouch Mini 4 backup USB hard drive :-)

So I have the Acer One, looks like Panasonic has a ToughBook with Poulsbo.

How many other netbook type devices exist with the Poulsbo chipset ?

Is it even worth pushing engineering to get an Xorg driver for this video ?



Comments:

IMHO it would be better to chose a single manufacturer and push onto whatever chipsets they have, this would give one buying a laptop/netbook the ability to go out and buy x brand and know that it will support OpenSolaris. Preferably this would be a manufacturer who has shown a willingness to ship OpenSolaris as OEM installed (i.e Toshiba)

Posted by Che Kristo on September 21, 2009 at 10:33 AM PDT #

Hi,

I agree, my problem is the platform is still changing, look at the Acer Aspire One series.

The 8.9", 10" and 11.6" have different chipsets.

One the 8.9" we still don't have a good solution for the card slots.

The 10" is nearly perfect.

This new 11.6" has a totally different chipset, the video comes from a cell phone or MID. No open source drivers for Xorg at all. Even Windows 7 has a problem with it.

That's just the Acer line.

The MSI is working great, but we don't have drivers for the webcam or bluetooth.

The second thread still locks up at 100% busy on resume in ACPI.

All the MSI U100's ship with 802.11n wifi, we don't even run 802.11n yet.

If your unlucky, you will get the RAlink 2700 mini pci-e wifi, it does not suspend yet.

Then you have the Elonex webbook which uses the VIA C7, again just to try and lower the retail price and increase the margin per netbook.

It may say Intel Atom on the outside, but inside it can be really different.

I think my OpenSolaris development group and all the contributors to OpenSolaris are doing an incredible job.

Our problem is the hardware manufacturers are trying to push the bottom line on a netbook down as far as they can, we are always 10 steps behind them.

Dave

Posted by David Clack on September 21, 2009 at 11:24 AM PDT #

are you using the vgatext driver for the new aspire? if X is working, but the cursor keeps jumping back to the upper-left corner, you're not alone. i've seen it on everything from my old thinkpad to an ultra 24 with post-SNV118 builds. you could be hitting defect #9862. if so, try the workaround from jurgen. it's worked for me on all machines i've installed post-2009.06 builds on:

http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=9862

-- eldee

Posted by Eldee Stephens on September 22, 2009 at 12:01 AM PDT #

Perfect, Thanks, Comment #10 worked on all the Acers + the MSI, OpenSolaris 1002 B123

Dave

Posted by David Clack on September 22, 2009 at 02:47 AM PDT #

Hi,

IMHO, You should gather up all the latest NetBooks and one by one, systematically supported them all \*fully\*.. not almost this or almost that.

Not only driver issues but also performance ones on such low end hardware.
Because what ends up happening is two things:

A.) You get on par with Linux/\*BSD support on NetBooks.
B.) You end up fixing things that scale up to larger notebooks/desktops and servers like shared interrupts that lead to desktop sluggishness and all sorts of other things..

At the end of the day, I think your work is maybe more important then you think it is.
Please do, say, get all the Acer One series working in class A order on OpenSolaris. I def think its worth it yes.

Cheers,
Edward.

Posted by Edward on September 22, 2009 at 02:55 AM PDT #

Hi,

Swings and roundabouts, with this patch the mouse issues go away, put the CPU is at 100% 1600 Mhz.

It's stopping power management working :-)

All the netbooks are showing the same problem, damn

Dave

Posted by David Clack on September 22, 2009 at 03:05 AM PDT #

Hi,

Your need change "cpupm enable" to "cpupm enable poll-mode"
In:
/etc/power.conf
then
pfexec pmconfig

Something to do with
"6818514 Event based CPUPM too easily shifts into high gear"

extremely annoying and should be fixed ASAP.

Cheers,
Edward.

Posted by Edward on September 22, 2009 at 05:13 AM PDT #

Yes, I have that line.

I needed to change cpu-threshold from 15s to 1s, working good again now.

Thanks
Dave

Hi Edward,

I'm trying hard mate, remember on B101 we only had the ethernet working, no wifi, no video, no compiz, no power management, no suspend / resume.

Toshiba is our target OpenSolaris platform, you can pay the $1,000 +, I think it to expensive.

The Acer Aspire One 10" works pretty much 100% with SXCE, I'm having issues with the login screen coming back up after resume on OpenSolaris 1002 B123.

OpenSolaris is our direction now, so not even worth talking about SXCE.

Looks like the Acer Aspire One 11.6" has USB and Video issues.

The Poulsbo is a brand new chipset, not on our strategic radar right now.

If it was not for my boss the Director of Engineering of the OEM SOFTWARE group Vineet Gupta allowing me to purchase and test these devices, we would probably only have Toshiba available.

Posted by David Clack on September 22, 2009 at 05:58 AM PDT #

OK, Note well that I am not having a go at you I am justifying why I think your work is so important!

You prob should send this link to your boss also so that he may see my views comments if you so wish to.

My main worry is how OpenSolaris does not do so well in regards to low memory conditions on such low end hardware.

-bash-3.2# echo "::memstat" | mdb -k | head -n 3
Page Summary Pages MB %Tot
------------ ---------------- ---------------- ----
Kernel 196162 766 40%

As you can see, the Kernel is taking up nearly a GB of RAM. This really should not be happening by _that_ much! The \*BSD kernels take up all of about 17 MB !
I would be interested to see what its like as a ZFS root on your Acer One.

Cheers,
Edward.

Posted by Edward on September 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM PDT #

Edward,

I'm on a train with 35,000 other passengers without a driver.

I think the priority is get the OpenSolaris 1002 working as well as possible, turning for memory will come later.

Even I don't know if I'll have a job after we become Oracle

Dave

Posted by David Clack on September 23, 2009 at 02:42 AM PDT #

Hi,

The memory problem maybe easier to fix and is a different department that works on that any way.
Which driver?

I think your teams should be working on the two problems in parallel, obviously...

Regards,

Posted by Edward on September 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM PDT #

Driver = President, CEO, someone running / setting direction of the company, we are all in hold mode until the EU approves the Oracle takeover.

What will be the direction decided by Oracle upper management.

I hope Solaris X86 and OpenSolaris survives.

The new Exadata2 system is running Oracle Linux

Posted by David Clack on September 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM PDT #

I would love for the Poulsbo to be supported, i have one of these netbboks and am sorely missing the driver!

Posted by che kristo on October 11, 2009 at 04:09 PM PDT #

I bought an Acer Aspire One from Buy.com refurb for 250.00.

It is great but the chipset is a pain to get going (I now have Linux (Debian, Ubuntu 9.10 and Fedora 11 going oh yes and Windows 7 with full 1366x 768 screen resoultion)

OpenSolaris does not see the usb mouse and I can only get streched video 1024 x 768.

It would be awesome to have these fixed up!

Just my 2cents worth

Posted by W. Charles Alexander on December 02, 2009 at 08:35 PM PST #

Put a usb hub between the acer and the mouse, it will work.

Until Imagination releases the Xorg driver for the PowerVR video chip .....

Dave

Posted by David Clack on December 03, 2009 at 12:53 AM PST #

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