Netbeans 6.8 and the Netbeans Platform Support

The Netbeans 6.8 release will be shipping very soon. The community and the Netbeans team have been working hard to get this release ready. I want to thank everyone that has been working on 6.8 and making it another GREAT release of Netbeans. Please go download it and see why so many people trust and believe in Netbeans!

I wanted to respond to questions in regards to Sun's support of the NetBeans Platform.  As I have recently stated to the NetBeans Dream Team, the NetBeans Platform is critical to the development, support and release of the NetBeans IDE. We also have a number of customers that use the Platform to build a variety of products. Given those two major use cases, this makes the Platform a critical element of Sun's developer product strategy.

With the release of NetBeans 6.8, you'll see a more public effort to support the Platform as a product. This is being driven by overwhelming support, by our customers and the open-source user community. Thank you to the community members who tirelessly use, support and improve the NetBeans Platform. You can see the NetBeans Platform in action at platform.netbeans.org.

In summary, be assured that the NetBeans Platform is an advantage for our users and developers, we will continue to support and enhance the Platform in concert with the NetBeans community.  Thanks to Dream Team and our customers, your voices at Java One where heard and we are responding!

Comments:

As someone who has been developing applications on the NetBeans Platform every day for several years (and who is also a Dream Team member, three-time Governance Board member and active community member), I must be candid and say that it's been frustrating to see one of Sun's best products valued by so many go largely overlooked by Sun itself.

I'm glad to know those days are behind us now -- and I'm very optimistic about what we can achieve together in the future.

Posted by Tom Wheeler on December 03, 2009 at 02:34 PM PST #

support netbeans team.thank you.

Posted by wan jibin on December 03, 2009 at 09:44 PM PST #

Hey Jim,

Happy to hear that the platform is not being overlooked. It is one of the many bright spots on the Java landscape. JavaFX has sucked considerable oxygen out of the Sun Java efforts and with little to show for it - and at great cost to Swing, NetBeans RCP and Java generally.

If Sun is interested in enterprise applications then it will invest in the NetBeans platform. There are a number of ways of monetizing the platform if there is proper investment. Let me know how I can help you in your efforts to further NetBeans.

Cheers and best wishes.
Charles

Posted by Charles Ditzel on December 04, 2009 at 11:50 AM PST #

Does it mean more resources will go in the NetBeans development in the future?

Also, in the end of your post, you talked more about the NB Platform, not mentioning the NB IDE too much. (What will happen with the NB IDE?)

Posted by NetBeans Fanboy on December 04, 2009 at 05:57 PM PST #

I always liked the fact that Sun is inviting the community to discussions, but it's great to know that it's really a two-way channel. As a long time NB Platform developer & consultant I'd like to thank Sun & you for listening to our concerns. Kudos to Geertjan for his tireless efforts for promoting the platform. I recently found this list of ideas of what might happen in 6.9, it really looks very promising:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/PlatformPoolOfRcpTopics

--Toni

Posted by Toni Epple on December 07, 2009 at 02:55 PM PST #

It's nice to see that the ideas for 6.9 include improving Maven support for building NetBeans RCP apps. This is really great.

Posted by Peter Levart on December 07, 2009 at 10:20 PM PST #

That set of potential areas of enhancement for 6.9 looks great to me. As a very recent adopter of the platform, I've been simultaneously thrilled by the degree to which it saves us time & resources in providing application infrastructure, and disappointed in some areas where it's clear that the teams/developers involved don't have the resources they need to really soar. Here's hoping that changes sooner or later.

Posted by Chas Emerick on December 08, 2009 at 04:43 AM PST #

NetBeans Platform certainly needs resources assigned, it's a great environment and the NetBeans tooling does help, though this could definitely be improved. The platform itself could see some great enhancement and adoption by positioning it as an enterprise architecture for business applications.

Posted by Brett Ryan on December 08, 2009 at 06:00 AM PST #

I recently looked at the Netbeans Platform as an alternative to creating yet another web application. It looks promising, but it's still way to verbose and unnecessarily complex.

Posted by Dave Kunkel on December 08, 2009 at 10:05 AM PST #

Hi,

Im a project manager for a software developing company, and at now we use Netbeans 6.7 as principal IDE, but we are thinking to pass ourself to Eclipse because Netbeans gets block, freezing and consumes the 100% of the CPU several times when we are developing over it, some times we have to enforce the closing of the IDE through the Windows Task Manager but we have lost projects becuase this, Netbeans seems to have a lot of problems with the Windows Explorer.

These problems happens over Windows vista and XP, but more over Vista, the question is, these problems are resolved in this new Netbeans version?? What have you done in order to resolve these issues??

Thanks for your attention,
Best regards,

Abraham Saad

Posted by Abraham Saad on December 08, 2009 at 11:36 PM PST #

Hi Abraham,

I believe that 6.7 was partially affected by the fact that we introduced a new editor infrastructure called Parsing API:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/ParsingAPI

It is a framework for generic language support. In 6.7, it was new and a bit unstable. In 6.8, many issues were fixed. Also, the main goal of 6.8 was bugfixing and performance improvement. Reading the mailing lists and community feedback, we managed to deliver these goals from the large extent. Therefore, I can encourage you to giv 6.8 a try...

If you read this blog post:

http://blogs.sun.com/joshis/entry/netbeans_ide_is_scanning_parsing

you should get some insight into how to report issues that you might meet (slow and non-responsive IDE). Specifically, pay attention to the point where I mention how to generate the thread dump:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump

If you say "CPU usage is 100%", it is - I say it without any intention of being sarcastic or offensive - rather useless to us. If you say the same sentence with the 2-3 threaddumps, we can say "Oh yes - we can see the bug is in VCS/editor/window system/...".

With regards,

Petr Dvorak

Posted by Petr Dvorak on December 09, 2009 at 02:40 AM PST #

Oh, and maybe a short note to the NetBeans platform itself (I am IDE tester but I occasionally develop my uni projects in NB RCP) - it is great and simple... but the documentation kind of sucks - javadocs are mostly OK (which means that they are not horrible), but they are just not enough... You often do not know how to get things done (properly). The only way to get familiar with the platform is to buy "the book" or to attend a lecture.

Anyone using the platform should blog about how he/she did implementation - at least briefly... This would help a bit - there are many useful blogs on C#/ASP.NET programming, for example, that are better and more useful than M$ docs...

Maybe a specialized wiki based portal would help... (What do you think?)

Posted by Petr Dvorak on December 09, 2009 at 02:50 AM PST #

Hi Petr,

Don´t worry about being sarcastic or offensive in your comments i have customers which are worst than you!! jajaja :) , it was kidding, your comments were with good intentions, well oriented, real and very practical.

Im very glad to hear that Netbeans 6.8 resolve many issues of 6.7, i have downloaded 6.8 and im trying it right now and it seems wonderful.

Best regards,

Abraham Saad

Posted by Abraham Saad Porto on December 09, 2009 at 07:14 AM PST #

"but the documentation kind of sucks" ??? http://platform.netbeans.org/tutorials and the Wiki and the blogs and the many other forms of documentation. Much better than Eclipse.

Posted by Cyril Pillay on December 09, 2009 at 08:18 AM PST #

Well "but the documentation kind of sucks" were not my words, you should read carefully my post and be carefully with your words because this blog is turning to other color. If you are not open for opinions please do not open a blog.

Posted by Abraham Saad on December 09, 2009 at 09:05 AM PST #

Please, read my comment about the documentation more as a call for participation from those that develop apps based on the NB RCP that as an attack to the current doc sources. Thanks.

Posted by Petr Dvorak on December 09, 2009 at 07:35 PM PST #

What Happened with UML ? I can't find it anywhere, not even in the website.
I didn't read anywhere it was gonna be eradicated.

Posted by Sergio on December 10, 2009 at 04:18 PM PST #

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Posted by Comment on December 12, 2009 at 03:45 PM PST #

Whatever happened to Visual Web Development ? woodstock , anyone ?

Posted by Dinesh on December 13, 2009 at 07:06 PM PST #

This release is completely unusable on my php project due to memory usage. (6.7 worked fine)
Switched to WebIDE.

Posted by nixoid on December 15, 2009 at 05:04 PM PST #

As a NetBeans IDE user, I have submitted quite a few bug reports with testcases. The bugs have been resolved now. The responses of the NetBeans team have always been very professional and efficient in a way that I would describe as outstanding. We will definitely consider the platform for development although we are currently using a different one.

Posted by Bernard on December 20, 2009 at 03:18 PM PST #

I used the UML plugin in 6.7.1 but I don't find the UML plugin for 6.8. Does anybody know if UML plugin will be available.
Thanks
Karl-Heinz

Posted by Karl-Heinz Rau on December 20, 2009 at 07:19 PM PST #

According to this thread
http://forums.netbeans.org/topic19405-0-asc-0.html
the UML plugin is no longer supported. (What a shame)

Posted by BLue on December 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM PST #

I found it at:

uml.netbeans.org

But I was not able to install it inside 6.8

Posted by guest on January 04, 2010 at 09:22 PM PST #

anyone knows where the source code for uml package is located? Maybe could put it on Kenai and fix it for 6.8..?

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Posted by Tom on January 15, 2010 at 08:53 PM PST #

Hi ,
i have been using eclipse very often and recently downloaded netbeens 6.8 .
But i have been facing difficulty using it .could you please provide me a document on keyboard shortcuts for Netbeans

Posted by sudheepkrishnan on January 27, 2010 at 10:04 PM PST #

The nb6.8 directory in your netbeans installation directory should contain shortcuts.pdf that explains default settings of the keyboard shortcuts for Netbeans.
Note, you can change the settings via Tools/Options/Keymap

Posted by vvg on March 02, 2010 at 04:11 AM PST #

i have big problem i have some problems in the NetBeans because i can't active plugins

thanks in advance

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Are they ever going to fix the remote debugger. It is dog slow, and forced me to shift back to eclipse..

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