2 Blogs on OpenSolaris: Berlind, Blankenhorn

Now this is interesting. First David Berlind at ZDNet blogs a good piece yesterday about Sun's OpenSolaris and CDDL announcements and the patent issues -- Sun gives way more than an inch, but open source advocates want the whole mile. It's Berlind's take, obviously, but pay attention to the language he uses. It's professional. I can agree or disagree, but he doesn't intentionally inflame. I can read his stuff and carefully consider his thoughts. Which I always do with Berlind. Then Dana Blankenhorn, also at ZDNet, points to Berlind's article today -- Memo to Sun: stop whining -- and expands on the idea but takes a decidedly condescending tone. He says we're "whining" and he questions our honesty.

So, two blogs on pretty much the same issue. One I find credible, the other I dismiss outright. The difference? One is substantive, the other is just a rant.

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The problem with bandwagon journalists like the ZDNET twins Dana and Steven is that they are essentially commercial trolls or pageview generators. The formula consists of: 1) Climb on to the latest bandwagon e.g. Linux 2) Declare your faith and skewer the infidels(SUN) 3) Massive pageviews from believers $$ profit (slashdot posting gets an extra bonus)

Posted by guest on February 02, 2005 at 05:00 AM JST #

Not a nice way to live, eh? I'm trying to get away from that stuff.

Posted by Jim on February 02, 2005 at 05:04 AM JST #

[Trackback] Jim Grisanzio recently blogged comparing two articles at ZDnet . The articles in question were Sun gives way more than an inch, but open source advocates want the whole mile Memo to Sun: stop whining I've just read both of thes...

Posted by Alan Hargreaves' Weblog on February 02, 2005 at 05:47 AM JST #

Jim, ZDnet allows trackbacks. I have done one to Dana's article, perhaps you should.

Alan.

Posted by Alan Hargreaves on February 02, 2005 at 05:50 AM JST #

I don't see how you could reasonably say that Sun gave even an inch. Presumably, Sun continues to make overtures towards the open source community in the hopes that we make an effort to port our apps to Solaris. Fine. That takes effort on my part, I want something back in exchange.

But I don't get anything. OpenSolaris and the patents needed to make it work have been released under the CDDL. rephase: an operating system and operating system-related patents have been released under the CDDL. The CDDL is not compatible with [the license covering] the only open-source operating system in widespread enterprise deployment. I haven't gained anything. Or phrased another way, you have not given up anything (besides some transparency). I cannot take your IP and use it with the system of my choosing (Linux). Why Linux? Because its what I'm used to, and its the most widespread Unix variant out there.

What you _have_ done is created the legal framework (CDDL and patent grants) that would allow me to code on _your_ operating system, if that's what I wanted to do. Bully for you.

This is really classic Sun, in the sense that Sun has the WORST case of 'Not Invented Here' that I've ever seen. Now, you've created your own open-source license (because the other ones weren't good enough for you) and using that to create your OWN open-source communinity. You're not playing within the framework and code that's already out there, you're trying to start your own. And that's anathema to how we've worked for the last 15 years. You _can't_ have your 'own' community and still call it open. True Open means uncontrolled cross-pollination, which the CDDL and patent grants are going to prevent.

All of this is of course your right, but you're being so 2-faced about it....pretending to give something great to a community that already exists, when you're really trying to fracture it and make of piece of it yours.

Posted by Steve on February 02, 2005 at 11:52 PM JST #

Whoa - you seem to suggest it's GPL or nothing? I'm a big customer trying to build complex systems. And to tell you the truth, the GPL is a royal pain. I applaud Sun's using the Mozilla license - I can now go run my business, and create a few jobs. Not just sit here and naively contribute everything to Red Hat. OSI approved their license. Give them the credit they deserve, and stop trying to say "it's GPL or DIE." That's just not true.

Posted by Alex Harken on February 03, 2005 at 06:02 AM JST #

Simon Phipps, Sun's chief technology evangelist, does a nice job of explaining these copyright and patent issues here:
  • "<a href="http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink/20050202#opposite_sides_of_the_street">Opposite Sides of the Street"
  • "<a href="http://www.webmink.net/2005/02/ip-elephant-in-it-kitchen.htm">The IP Elephant in the IT Kitchen"


Posted by Jim Grisanzio on February 03, 2005 at 06:42 AM JST #

[Trackback] Through Technorati, I was led to a quickly sprouting tree of threads regarding my recent commentary on Sun's 1600 patent deal, and then my colleague Dana Blankenhorn's follow-up to that. First, I think I was able to follow all of the various branch...

Posted by Between the Lines on February 03, 2005 at 08:07 PM JST #

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