NetBeans Podcast Episode 44

The first NetBeans podcast hosted by Lloyd and myself!

NetBeans Podcast Episode #44 (31 min, size: 32.8 MB)

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Comments:

Any reasons why a copy of groovy and grails doesn't come with NetBeans 6.5?

I absolutely love it that rails and jruby ship with NetBeans directly.

Posted by Patrick Julien on July 09, 2008 at 11:02 PM PDT #

Great podcast, one suggestion though: Geertjan should not say "un-hun" every few seconds while someone is talking. It is very distracting

Posted by guest on July 10, 2008 at 05:58 AM PDT #

Hi Patrick, I agree, that would be very cool. I passed on your suggestion to the engineers.

Hi 72.140.245.82, I agree with you. I was very annoyed and distracted when I listened to some parts of the podcast too... for the same reason. Thanks for passing on that suggestion, it won't happen again!

Posted by Geertjan on July 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM PDT #

Netbeans improved exponentially.
java, jruby, php, groovy and more
It the best choice of IDE for real developer

Posted by Ahmed Al-Hashimi on July 15, 2008 at 06:18 PM PDT #

Didn't listen to the podcast, yet. I promise to do it asap :)

Netbeans might have improved, sure it did.

But if one considers Groovy to be the native scripting language for the JVM, the lack of a working NetBeans support is surpring and frustrating.
It's good to see the efforts put into the Groovy support but the fact that it is not even packaged with the current milestone might be seen as a bad sign.

Regardless of what: I still can't get the Groovy-Plugin to work properly, yet. Executing trivial Scripts in combined Java projects raises impressive exceptions or the whole IDE even freezes when opening the file selction dialog for configuring the location of the Groovy home (might be an Windows issue)...

Now that IntelliJ dropped to 145 € it is very tempting to switch...

Thanks for the work with the podcast, guys!

Marcus

Posted by Marcus on July 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM PDT #

Marcus, you are aware that the Groovy support in NetBeans has not been released yet, I hope. It will be released in 6.5. Right now it is still under development. And, yes, it is packaged in the Milestone build. Get the Web/Java EE version and you'll be able to develop right away.

Posted by Geertjan on July 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM PDT #

Why do you guys post pre-release information all the time and act like it's actual usable code? The link to Java 6 Update 10 Beta has been sitting there for months. Even the release versions of NetBeans are slow and buggy. Who cares about a pre-release that is probably about as stable as dynamite. You guys need to get your acts together as Microsoft is leaving you in the dust. Note, I am a long time Java developer, but, right now I see no compelling reason why I should choose Java over .NET. NetBeans 6 was a joke. Everytime a new version of Java is released, they say it's faster and it isn't. NetBeans 6 is slow to the point of unusable. Now you are adding in all kinds of other unrelated crap instead of focusing on the core and getting all the bugs out.

Posted by Jon on July 17, 2008 at 03:26 AM PDT #

"Why do you guys post pre-release information all the time and act like it's actual usable code?"

Hmmm. I don't think anyone has ever said that pre-release stuff is usable. Lots of people want to hear about pre-release information -- it tells them where the product is going and gives them an opportunity to chime in. And, believe me, lots of bug fixing is happening as we speak. Finally, personally, I prefer Java to .Net because I like having my applications run on things other than Windows.

Posted by Geertjan on July 17, 2008 at 03:30 AM PDT #

that was a hard math problem

Posted by guest on July 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM PDT #

"Why do you guys post pre-release information all the time and act like it's actual usable code?"

I am the CIO of my company and as such I have to make decisions as to which programming languages and development frameworks to use. Being a programmer myself I walked into a .NET shop that was struggling badly. Costs were high and applications were boring and one-dimensional. Since I took over I have switched to Linux/Java/MySQL and haven't looked back. Our applications are portable and platform-independent, our costs are down, our databases rock, and our servers hum with the sound of efficiency.

We use netbeans in-house for our standard IDE because it's great. I love seeing pre-release information regarding it and I have one developer that spends his day trying out beta products and then commenting on them on various sites. I call him my QA, supabad testing guy. Its nice to be able to chime in about things that are being developed that will impact your development project. With MS all you get is a confusing website with a lot of MVP morons spouting off about their latest code snippet to implement some god awful presentation foundation thing or whatever they got going over there. Java rocks, as does netbeans. I will never go back to the evil empire of MS and its C# (Java hack) language.

Posted by Steve on July 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM PDT #

Respected Sir,
i comleted my B.E Degree, But I am not get job Sir, So i would like to join the Sun Certification Course ,but i have n' t any material in that course . If you have Sun Certification Course material , Please send to me and also give reference website. It is Urgent .. Please help me Sir,,,

Posted by Rama Prasath on July 21, 2008 at 11:30 PM PDT #

"NetBeans 6 is slow to the point of unusable"

Blatant lie. I use netbeans 6 with Java 6 u3 on my HP Pavillion dv6000. Its an amazing piece of software. For weeks on end, I would fold my laptop and reopen it severally and it just breathes back to life and running. No gray rectangle, no lag time, nothing... Why do you have to lie just to make a point?

Posted by salihu on July 22, 2008 at 02:33 AM PDT #

Rama,

Have you tried using the JSP editor? It's like working over a 300 baud modem. Maybe I need a 16 core box to run it on... Supposedly, everything is faster in NetBeans 6.1. NetBeans 5.5 was slow enough. 6.0 was even worse. Even the NB developers admitted as much in the release notes for 6.1. If ASP.NET sucks so bad, then why are the Visual Web Applications in NB 6 trying to emulate code behind files? Is anyone ever going to fix the bug in Tomcat that causes old instances of web apps to be left in memory everytime you reload a web app? It has been there for YEARS. The Apache web site even states that if you use a singleton it will cause the problem. If that is the case, that is incredibly weak. It is longstanding issues like this that make me question Java. There are a lot of other stupidly designed things in Java also, like XmlGregorianCalendar. You have to use a factory method to even create them. As if you need a provider architecture for creating a date object. Furthermore, it throws a checked exception. You have to love issues like NB wiping out your web service settings out of context and web.xml at random also.

Jon

Posted by Jon on July 22, 2008 at 03:28 AM PDT #

Now you r mentioning the specifics, it makes more sense to me this way. I feel you pain Jon. As for me, I have learnt and stuck to the few things that work very well. When I do a web app, I dont use the visual JSP so I am free of those headaches. I learn the new things all the same but wont used them until they become very very stable. For now I have stuck to good old jsp, custom tags, css, html, javascript and other client stuff I can lay my hands on. I write my custom controller servlet and leave out faces, struts and the others. I install my custom login module and I am good to go. The backend can be anything from pure dao/sql to ejb.

Enjoy.

Posted by salihu on July 22, 2008 at 05:09 PM PDT #

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Geertjan Wielenga (@geertjanw) is a Principal Product Manager in the Oracle Developer Tools group living & working in Amsterdam. He is a Java technology enthusiast, evangelist, trainer, speaker, and writer. He blogs here daily.

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