Relative Ordering of Java and C++

Recently, Alex Miller has made the incendiary suggestion that C++ be renamed Java--. Years ago, Bill Joy's initial reaction to C++ was that he instead wanted "C++++-=, a little bit more but a whole lot less." Java came about a few years later.

I'm sure others have noted the Oak seedling on the cover of Stroustrup's The Design and Evolution of C++ along with the following quote on page 207:

Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out.

However, Stroustrup says neither Java nor C# are that language.

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