A theoretical question

What would you do if a Sun employee gave a Solaris 10 presentation from a notebook running Windows XP and Microsoft Powerpoint?


Ask them why they weren't running JDS.

Posted by Jonathan Schwartz on január 18, 2005 at 01:02 DU CET #

Nothing, it would just show that Sun has an openmind about Desktop Solutions and has finally understoodd that we live in a mixed environment, there wont be Unix everywhere in a forseable future and right now "we" the customers need to live with these 2 totally different worlds, so why cant Sun themselves live with the same problems we do, and perhaps learn a little-bit internally and not just say, use Star/OpenOffice and all your problems will be gone....

Posted by KG on január 18, 2005 at 01:04 DU CET #

This was quite funny :)

Posted by KG on január 18, 2005 at 01:11 DU CET #

I've seen it, and I though it was a little strange. I'd sorta be expecting a Solaris demo coming from a Solaris box. It does show that Sun can work with everything nicely, but I also think it shows a little lack of faith in the Sun products. "They're all fine and good as long as I don't have to depend on them for my work". As a customer, I'd much rather see that the presenter is comfortable with the Sun products, then that they can interoperate with others well.

Posted by Paul Greidanus on január 18, 2005 at 01:48 DU CET #

I don't think the question mentioned a demo. For a mere presentation use whatever is available. Maybe someone can do a presentation using applix the next time around.... ;-)

Posted by Roger Rabbit on január 18, 2005 at 02:01 DU CET #

Ok, wrong word.. the session I was thinking of was a presentation/demo. The presentation part was on Windows, then the demo was on a Blade 100. Even StarOffice on Windows would be a good mix.. Staroffice does presentations, so why tell the world that the Sun product isn't good enough to do Sun presentations?

Posted by Paul Greidanus on január 18, 2005 at 02:05 DU CET #

Paul is right. if we want to be credible in selling our software we need to change internally. anyway as I'm a software SE, I got with similar (and much more harsh comments ) when I used windows for a customer preso so I immediately changed to JDS. the issue is that if you deliver a hardware preso, customers/prospects don't care as much about the OS used for the preso as the software audience. :) that might be an answer to Jonathan's question... P

Posted by Peter Fabian on január 18, 2005 at 02:24 DU CET #

I wouldn't be very impressed. Sun has in-house tools that will do the job just as well, if not better, than PowerPoint on Windoze, so why not use them? After all, Sun's customers are expected to...

Posted by Rich Teer on január 18, 2005 at 04:26 DU CET #

Imagine the databases in Microsoft's webfarm running Iinux while it's being communicated as an example of the interoperability of their webserver software stuff. I wouldn't care if Sun demonstrated JES components on a laptop running windows - the speaker might be an expert of the technologies as a lot of the software products are supported on windows now (in fact, a Windows x86 server running Sun Appserver is a good demonstration of interoperability in itself). But Solaris is an operating system and you just can't use windows on a presentation where you're speaking about the world's most advanced operating system. Well, would you buy a BMW if their representatives were using Renault cars? Certeainly, if you were an old BMW customer but otherwise... Sun's windoze experts should be installing w2k3 on Sun x86 servers instead of speaking about solaris: a demonstration of a number of Sun equipment with different OSes, including Linux, Windows Server, and Solaris (on multiple architectures), running the same Java application.. it would definitely be telling more about the freedom of choice than a Solaris speak with Powerpoint.

Posted by gartney on január 18, 2005 at 06:34 DU CET #

I have sat through way too many Sun presentations that were poorly done because they tried to use tools that just weren't up to the job. This is not to pick on anyone in particular, as it has been pervasive through multiple sales and support teams over the past decade. In most of them I wished that they had just used a tool that did the job well. Even the CS, EE, and Math profs that did presentations generated with xfig and latex have long had a leg up on Sun.

However, that is history. Today, JDS and StarOffice should be to the point where it is time to eat your own dogfood. Using a MS desktop and apps would not be a deal killer, but a well-done presentation (with the fonts actually working, on a laptop that is powerful enough to run the software and able to sync up the projector) would be a good step to coming in a while later to sell me desktop software.

Sun is the only company that I haver ever spent millions of dollars with that does not outfit its people with a decent laptop for everything from connecting to serial consoles to putting together a decent presentation. I am sometimes embarassed for the Sun presenter when I am with my coworkers that are more accustomed to getting highly polished presentations (possibly just due to nice templates) from most any other vendor.

Again... this is not a dig on my current team. As far as I can tell, this is a consistent problem across Sun. And things have gotten better as of late. Using StarOffice to generate PDF's that are viewable on any platform is a great step. Perhaps the best part is that means there is no animation in the presentation.

Now, if I hired Sun Professional Services to come do project management, I would be annoyed if they tried to use Mr. Project (or is it planner now?). That is an app that does not speak the same file formats as my business' tool (MS Project) and makes it impossible for me to make good use of the data on a Windows desktop. (Yeah, I'm annoyed that I have to use a Windows desktop too. The up side is I get to play with Sun's latest hardware and software on the server side.) I need Sun to use tools that make it easiest for me to do my job.

Posted by Mike Gerdts on január 18, 2005 at 06:53 DU CET #

So, to sum up: most of you agree with me that with JDS and StarOffice 7 around, you cannot really justify a customer facing engineer's use of Windows and PowerPoint during a presentation. I could give you one excuse that you most probably would have never thought of: StarOffice doesn't have decent support for Hungarian grammar and spell checker technologies. I think this is just an excuse (as you can use OpenOffice.org which has a very good GPL Hungarian spell checker), but one I've already heard from a colleague... Mike: the MS Project thing is quite unfortunate. I know our Client Solutions (there is no Professional Services anymore) project managers are using MS Project to coordinate things (and usually Mantis to track project issues). I wonder if Sun could leverage last year's Microsoft agreement to get the specs of MS project files and write a Java and/or OOo based MS Project compatible application...

Posted by Janos Cserep on január 19, 2005 at 11:46 DE CET #

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