Dave and Vikas Hop on the Right Bus

While I may not agree that doing SQL through your virtual directory to get access to combined views of transactions and identity information is the right way to go (and I think Dave really wasn't trying to say that anyway), but...

I absolutely DO agree with Dave (and Vikas Mahajan) that there's no reason we should be building additional infrastructure around moving identity around vs. moving any other data around.

Let's keep in mind that a bus can move any arbitrary object from A to B or even A to B, C, and D.

The trick is to make sure that all of these points understand the object being passed between those points.

Just as multiple LDAP-enabled applications need to understand the same schema, multiple parties publishing/subscribing to a queue will need to understand the same messages.

This is true even though each application may only need a slice of that identity data. The overall structure of what is being shared. The Identity Governance Framework (IGF) actually gives you a standard way of defining the attributes present in a message you could accept/publish. It even provides a place for defining which attributes might be used as keys by your particular application, which helps in the previous discussion re: joins.

If we agreed to use IGF's CARML representation to define the attributes that would be present/required by an application and agree on what representation will be used to encapsulate those attributes, all you need is a standard message bus.

Of course, the question then becomes, who will take the messages off the bus and send updates to legacy applications and who will take updates from legacy applications and push them onto the bus in the first place.

This is where identity services come into play. Like virtual directory, they're simply moving data from one context to another so that everyone else doesn't need to adapt to the legacy environment and legacy environments don't have to adapt to each other.

Maybe I could ask my friend and colleague, Phil Hunt, to spare some time to post a quick example of how this looks in real life.

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