MySQL Users Conference 2009 Day 3 - Cloud Shootout

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I arrived at the MySQL
Users Conference
just in time for the The
Great Open Cloud Shootout

Kaj Arno was asking questions to the invited panelists shown in the
picture above. Here is a partial discussion:

What is cloud ?

automatbale computing infrastructure, changes the way production
scale deployments operate, saves time/cost, increases reliability
is an important aspect, Can "shoot for the moon without
shooting foot", accessing a pool of resources which is infinite from an
individual/organization perspective
like electricity/network bandwidth, applying that same model to
computing resources
is an important piece
LewNot new technology, rather a new way
of delivery. As a
developer, provision the application through the code.

Who is it for ?

MontyIt's for you
ThorstenAmazon launched, mostly for geeks. 2007
-> Amazon
skeptical and RightScale gets VC funding, 2008 -> some common
usage, 2009 -> Top-down from CIOs. Basically everybody,
cross-organiation, vertical
MikeHorizontal technology opportunity, starting to
see mainstream
applications including ISVs/primary line of business, interest/adoption
is growing
ChanderDefinitely growing for ISVs, makes backup sexy,
"Even though
running a backup company, expected to be entertaining"
JeremyPower outlets are shaped
differently, technology has not
matured enough. Next few years standardization will happen.
will never notice it exists, but able to access the
the data on cloud

Why use the cloud ?

MontyAll of a sudden facebook traffic, leverage a
collective of
people who are already investing in an effort
LewCloud computing based on virtualization
MikeMore & more enterprises moving in the
cloud, gain
durability & resilience which was not an option because of a
single data center
JeremyLegacy apps are easiest to move into cloud, they
are better
understood and can scale easily
PrashantCloud is the right approach/dream,
not there yet. Traditional
apps can be moved into cloud.
in development and tests, DBA clone another slave
server with exactly the same setup to test out schema changes
up EC2 instances, run the tests and shut them down ...
everything in approx $1. Give it back to the cloud and make it more
efficient for the world in general.
are making it so affordable, cost can be 10% of what it was

Cloud adoption barrier

ChanderPerformance, a customer requested a refund where
they were
trying to shove a 1TB in an hour. US is 6Mbps, needs to significantly
increase before it can be utilized.
ThorstenCompute needs to move where the data is.
ChanderMost businesses will find bandwidth/redundancy
Customer always need to customer where not to use cloud and set
expectations accordingly

What apps will never move
to cloud ?

LewFinancially sensitive applications, owning your
own data center
ChanderTrust and privacy, it's more about education
Encryption is going tobe a key.
JeremyCompetitiion, unless other companies battle it
out and making
it easy to to migrate from one service to other, it'll be difficult.
Avoid vendor lockin.

Are there cloud standards

MikeBased on open industry standards,  no
deep rooted
concern in the user community
ThorstenWay to operate across different clouds, API is
not the most
important level. What is a server ? Can I hibernate it, mount it, how
much storage volume is allowed, cross-data center boundary are a better
LewVery early to lock the standards, everybody is
currently in a
stage of experiementation
MontyPotential downside to premature standardization,
too early to
jump to standards
ChanderOpen standards are a definite key to
success. S3 fostered innovation.
is a good standard but not an open API. It will be doubly
nice if it's "free" or "open" or whatever the word is.
dont really matter if the performance cannot be met.
When innovating at a rapid rate, it' difficult to make everybody agree
upon standards.
least publish the API where everybody can use them.
backup to Sun cloud, Sun has S3 compatible APIs, also
compatible to WebDAV.

Cloud Business

MontyYou can
MikeVery unique and compelling business opportunity.Amazon Dev
Buy infrastructure on demand, setup your software on AMI, set your own
price and then customers can use it, "Software as a Innuity"
ChanderTraditional backup vendors will be worried.
PrashantDatabase on the cloud
LewSeeing an explosion in the amount of
data/compute required,
accordingly analytics. Tremendous amount of opportunity when Cassandra
& Drizzle are cloud-enabled.
ISVs in the cloud.
to do performance tuning and optimizations in cloud, do
that for major cloud infrastructure.
to work from anywhere, don't need to be physically at the
datacenter, enables multinational consulting
more clouds become available, it'll be explosion which
will happen later this year.

How is cloud measured ?

JeremyCPU time in terms of use, storage centric clouds
pay for
LewCreating Data centers with loading docks.
MontyPaying for CPU cycle, like mainframe model.
ThorstenCloud is like mainframe but very elastic.
ChanderBilling is not a challenge, storage
clouds are better because
of pricing, compute is challenging

Databases & Clouds

ThorstenFlexibility of moving to the next volume,
master, slave makes
is very refreshing
MontyStart out thinking M x N problems, never think
about one
database instance in cloud, there will be X > 1

And the shootout had to be shutdown because the timing estimates were
slightly misjudged

But all in all, an interesting discussion!

Come meet us at the GlassFish booth in the Exhibit
Or you can stop by at room #205 for the Whisper Suite for a more
personal and 1-1 conversation.

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  • neon Sunday, April 26, 2009


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