Hybrid Storage Pool goes glossy

I've written about Hybrid Storage Pools (HSPs) here several times as well as in an article that appeared in the ACM's Queue and CACM publications. Now the folks in Sun marketing on the occasion of our joint SSD announcement with Intel have distilled that down to a four page glossy, and they've done a terrific job. I suggest taking a look.

The concept behind the HSP is a simple one: combine disk, flash, and DRAM into a single coherent and seamless data store that makes optimal use of each component and its economic niche. The mechanics of how this happens required innovation from the Fishworks and ZFS groups to integrate flash as a new tier in storage hierarchy for use in our forthcoming line of storage products. The impact of the HSP is pure economics: it delivers superior capacity and performance for a lower cost and smaller power footprint. That's the marketing pitch; if you want to wade into the details, check out the links above.

Comments:

Hello Adam,

I read this last week and it is a good discussion.

One thing though, the sidebar mentions 1 SSD ( $1000) and 30
1T SATA drives ($150 each) = $5500.

If one applies that to the J4500 JBOD we have 48\*$150+$1000.= $8200.

Including 3 years of Platinum support, the online price is:
$62,000.

Thus, the disks only account for 13% of the end-user cost.

Sidebars can be dangerous.

Posted by abelian on October 20, 2008 at 06:32 AM PDT #

Adam,

I've been looking forward to using the L2ARC and ZIL in a project.

Any idea when Sun's going to sell HSPs ( other than SSDs in a few blades)?

Looking forward to an updated 4540 with SSD bays, or 4450 with SSD option instead of SAS coupled with a J4000 JBOD.

Posted by Roger on October 20, 2008 at 06:38 AM PDT #

@abelian No disagreement there. We price list a 1TB 7200 RPM drive for the J4400 JBOD for $689. Fortunately, the numbers are also wrong for 15K RPM drives, and the math works out about the same. Maybe calling it "terrific" was a bit over-adulatory.

@Roger I can't give you dates, but it's not going to be long now. We're not going to be quiet about it so keep an eye on sun.com, and I'll certainly be chiming in once we ship.

Posted by Adam Leventhal on October 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM PDT #

@abelian To follow up, I did the math with our price-listed numbers for the 15K RPM, 300GB SAS and 7200 RPM, 1TB SATA drives. I get the conventional pool weighing in at $74,900 and the HSP at about $21,670 depending on how many SSDs you want. This, of course, ignores the cost of wrapping those additional 70 drives in arrays, rack space, etc. It's not quite order of magnitude cost difference from the paper, but the HSP is still less than a third of the cost and that's before you house, rack, power, and cool everything.

Posted by Adam Leventhal on October 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM PDT #

Thanks Adam,

The next question then, is SSD or FusionIO (or equivalent).

The price/performance you mention is based on a target of

~30,000 Iops for L2ARC?

Your ZIL will be smaller, so maybe mirrored 80 GB FusionIO
(100,000 Iops each).

Still need density of 7200 RPM disks at the backend though, not for IOPS but for archiving.

I suppose I see the L2ARC and ZIL as additional expenditures to make NAS/Databases run faster and not to reduce the number of rotating disks on the backend.

That's why I like what you guys are doing.

Perfect box from Sun:

4 CPU ( 8 to 24 core) Thumper with 16 Read-Biased SSD, Mirrored Write Biased SSD or FusionIO, Dual 10 Gigabit Ethernet Link Aggregated, and 40 onboard 1.5T 7200 RPM SATA.

Essentially an HP DL580 G5 with 7 built-in SAS/SATA controllers.

Of course, OpenSolaris too. :)

Keep up the great work.

The

Posted by abelian on October 20, 2008 at 12:06 PM PDT #

@abelian There are good reasons to use either SSDs or PCI card flash products. For example, SSDs have the attractive property of being scalable, naturally dual-attached, and relatively cheaper. PCI cards can be a bit faster, consume precious slot budget which you would likely need for network cards and HBAs.

I like your idea for a perfect NAS box, but I'd like to see a handful of read-optimized SSDs with larger capacity: say 100GB or more each. In any case, that hybrid storage pool built on ZFS would blow the competition out of the water on price, performance, power, and petabytes (well, terabytes, but I liked the alliteration).

Posted by Adam Leventhal on October 20, 2008 at 03:08 PM PDT #

When I said 16, I mean 16 drives = 2.56 Terabytes
16 X-25M 160 GB would do well.

Xstore has 8, 10 and 24 drive 2.5 inch SAS enclosures that should work well externally. The miniJBOD is particularly interesting/cheap. Would be nice to place them internally though.

I'll be doing some testing soon and keep you informed.

Thanks for your poetry.

Looking forward to seeing the new products

Posted by abelian on October 20, 2008 at 04:15 PM PDT #

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