In-formation Worship

The very concept of in-formation has implications that suggest an input / output model of human beings.

Many explain their mistakes away by simply noting that they just didn't know, they just didn't have enough information. Problems are often tracked to failure of information systems where the real problem is denial, a lack of most rudimentary understanding of the common principles governing human existence.

There is a distinction between not knowing and not having enough information.

Knowing is about knowledge. It can be gained by education ("to draw / bring out / lead out / rear from within"). As John Dewey, the noted American philosopher of education, has argued, we gain knowledge by acting within the real context of our civilization and culture. Knowledge can also be gained by meditation and revelations of particular kind. Some have even spoken of sacred knowledge or knowledge of the sacred but rarely have I seen anyone speak of sacred data although I've observed many speaking of data, whether "scientific" or otherwise, as if it was sacred.

In contrast with knowledge, in-formation is about data. Data has nothing to do with us, is outside of us, and our involvement with it is of secondary concern. It is the odd among us who like to be a fragment of data in someone's book. No soldier (in fact, no one) wants to be a "++" on a bodycount variable. Life proves they are not.

Data is usually collected within an artificial, experimental context. How often do we drop spheres of the same size but different masses down the Leaning Tower of Pisa as Galileo Galilei once did?

Our involvement with data (despite Heisenberg's Principle) is secondary.

Data can also be obtained by simply looking into a database of one sort or another. However, any correspondence with reality is derivative.

The conclusion is drawn, often, that if only we had enough (or more, since it is never enough) information, everything would be done more efficiently, more effectively.

This sort of explanation may have some validity in very narrow fields of engineering or technology but not with respect to real social action or organizational behavior. Robert S. McNamara was able to deploy his data-oriented expertise to good effect in order to boost fighter plane production during World War II. However, the same attitude failed badly in Vietnam. What went wrong? Obviously, a data-driven approach to reality was insufficient for grasping and dealing with it, no matter how (relatively) powerful the data gathering and processing facilities.

IT tools and data representations should not be confused with reality even if super-computers do a very good job of simulating some very limited aspects of the world.

What matters includes reality that goes well beyond in-formation and information processing.

For example, as Mencius, the great Chinese philosopher and a student of Confucius' grandson taught his audience, "things of the same kind are alike" including human emotions. We can learn much more about reality and the effect of our actions on others by simply trying to put ourselves in others' shoes. Given the Mencian observation regarding the commonality of human emotions, it is no surprise that those who want to obscure their ability to experience the emotions of the other, begin by vilifying (and, yes, ridiculing) the other. [This talk about commonality of emotions reminds me of something else: The education of emotions is the most important type of education any human being can receive.]

On the other hand, as John Seely Brown and Paul Duguid have noted, information worship only helps drive a distance between the real (including the social context of our actions) and us.

Storage does not correlate with significance, nor volume with value. Standing atop gigabytes, terabytes, and even exabytes of information will not necessarily help us see further. It may only put our heads further into the clouds. . . . Indeed, mankind, as Samuel Johnson presciently noted, needs more often to be reminded than informed. If we keep looking down the same tunnel, we are likely to keep encountering the same problems. To avoid them . . . we all need to get outside the information tunnel, look around, and appreciate the social life that lies beyond and makes it possible.

The Social Life of Information

So, are the stuff in our databases the Pyramids (Al-Ahram) of our time? Will they survive as long as the Pyramids have?


Very interesting approach to comparing "In-formation" with Input/Output. I would be interested in hearing more regarding the book: "Knowledge and the Sacred" by Nasr.

Posted by Ralph on October 06, 2004 at 09:57 AM PDT #

Seyyed Hossein Nasr studied at Harvard and MIT.

He is a prolific writer (mostly in English) and theosophist. He is also a very capable speaker both in English and Persian. I heard him speak once, in both languages, at ICCNC.

I hear that Nasr used to run the Queen's library in Niavaran during the later Pahlavi reign in Iran. The library, situated near the wonderful Niavaran Gardens in Tehran, is now host to Iran's Institute for Theoretical Physics and Mathematics, whose director for the past few years has been Mohammad Javad A. Larijani. Larijani spent many years, like me, studying Logic and Methodology of Science at Berkeley. I still remember Leon A. Henkin (one of Alonzo Church's most distinguished students) mentioning Larijani's name with some fondness during departmental meetings in the Alfred Tarski room on the seventh floor of Evans Hall.

More about Nasr can be found here.

Posted by M. Mortazavi on October 06, 2004 at 10:52 AM PDT #

Thanks for your follow-up. I'm following up on your additional information. I didn't realize he was a Theosophist.

Posted by Ralph on October 06, 2004 at 12:20 PM PDT #

Well, "Theosophist" is just a lable. Frankly, I don't really know how to name his work and how to classify him. I'm choosing a word he has used in some of his diverse writings, of which I've only read some completely and some in fragments.

Posted by M. Mortazavi on October 06, 2004 at 01:46 PM PDT #

I see -- a small "t" rather than a large "T" as in The Theosophical Society. This would give it a broader meaning. I was also interested in your quote from The Social Life of Information. I became interested in Johy Seely Brown when I was thinking of buying some stock in The Thomson Corporation. In their annual report they had a nice two page spread on JSB. It looks like I have some reading to do this month!!!

Posted by Ralph on October 06, 2004 at 10:04 PM PDT #

The authors do pay tribute to Hubert Dreyfus in note 6 of the preface to the second printing and note that many of the arguments were already laid out by him (1979: What Computers Can't Do?) and Lucy Suchman (1987: Plans and Situated Action: The Problem of Human Machine Communications). So, as a precursor or complement to The Social Life of Information, it may be a good idea, if time permits, to take a look at Dreyfus' much shorter book, On the Internet, which despite its length, takes into account a much larger scope.

Posted by M. Mortazavi on October 07, 2004 at 02:56 AM PDT #

Thanks again. I did a search on Dreyfus and found your comments (on your blog) as well as other information. This will take sometime to digest.

Posted by Ralph on October 07, 2004 at 04:59 AM PDT #

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